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Post by deadmans on Oct 19, 2010 17:50:26 GMT
If you look to the east, and keep you're eyes PEELED, you will see a very very rare sight. A met A60 at Upminster for " a minor maintenance issue"  Camera's at the ready people. |
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Post by Chris M on Oct 19, 2010 22:03:04 GMT
North Greenwich was announcing the Metropolitan Line delays as due to "essential maintenance" rather than "a minor maintenance issue" this evening.
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Post by Colin on Oct 19, 2010 22:19:13 GMT
There are two issues mixing together.
The main one is that because of the overtime ban by RMT (as part of the current strike action), Neasden depot staff are struggling to keep up with routine maintenance.
The secondary issue is the need to check all of the A stocks after some were found to have hairline cracks on their shoe beam brackets.
To help alleviate the problems, it would seem an A stock was sent to Upminster on a gauging run with the idea being that it may be possible to make use of Upminster's wheel lathe.
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Post by citysig on Oct 20, 2010 9:26:08 GMT
North Greenwich was announcing the Metropolitan Line delays as due to "essential maintenance" rather than "a minor maintenance issue" this evening. The company line is that the current ongoing problems on the Met are described as "ongoing essential maintenance" which is what it is - and it's a bit more than a minor issue. The shoe-beam story is being made a little bigger than it should be. After the District problems recently, additional checks were made to the A60s and one or two hairline cracks were found - found I might add through the "routine" checks that are meant to find such things before they become a problem. We are by now means heading down a "whole fleet stopped" path because of that issue. The delay in getting trains through depot is down to the ongoing industrial action. What hasn't helped is that it's been a bit damp recently, and mixed with those leaves has caused a number of additional trains to suffer flatted wheels - which adds them to the list of trains stopped in depot. |
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Post by 21146 on Oct 22, 2010 3:58:08 GMT
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 22, 2010 5:46:35 GMT
Superb photos - beautiful quality. The one at Upminster is the best. |
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Post by metman on Oct 22, 2010 8:57:58 GMT
Lovely photos, glad to see they made it there too!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 11:12:45 GMT
Was it in service?
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Post by mrfs42 on Oct 22, 2010 11:27:25 GMT
Moderator CommentI've moved the 'historical' places that A stock has visited to a new thread in Historical 
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Post by DWS on Oct 22, 2010 13:09:48 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Oct 22, 2010 13:20:29 GMT
Not at 01:45 ex-Upminster it wasn't! The doors were open on the first car to allow staff to gauge the unit through platforms.
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Post by metman on Oct 22, 2010 13:32:01 GMT
Where there any issues you can tell us about?
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Post by 21146 on Oct 22, 2010 14:18:20 GMT
Well, effectively as a bystander last night, all I know is that there were a few areas where trackside equipment or platform edges were within the permitted gauge limit (75mm?), though not enough to prevent the train from passing. Presumably, these issues would have to be addressed should it ever be decided to operate A Stock east of Aldgate East on a regular basis.
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Post by Ben on Oct 22, 2010 16:02:57 GMT
Probably near enough zero chance of that this late in the game for the A's?
*cough* met to Barking *cough*
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Post by 21146 on Oct 22, 2010 16:17:10 GMT
I suppose it doesn't rule out maintenance at Upminster in an emergency
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Post by Chris M on Oct 22, 2010 17:53:09 GMT
nor diversion in an emergency.
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Post by 21146 on Oct 22, 2010 19:33:04 GMT
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Post by cso on Oct 23, 2010 9:53:55 GMT
Was it running as a 4-car train as I notice one of the images has a white end to it...
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Post by 21146 on Oct 23, 2010 9:56:14 GMT
4-car single-ended unit, yes. White/grey front when going east, red front on return west.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2010 9:58:36 GMT
Was it running as a 4-car train as I notice one of the images has a white end to it... It would appear so. |
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Post by metman on Oct 23, 2010 10:15:14 GMT
Yes, 5068/69 is a single ended unit. I've seen trains running with the non equipped cab end in the leading position before (not in service) on a turning trip to Ricky.
What will the proceedure be when the unit is returning an 5069 is leading? I see there is a wiper, calling on light, highlights and train radio, but no connect radio. Will there be a staff member in 6058 or will a hand held radio be used?
Finally, how often do single end units run on the mainline (again, not in service)?
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Post by 21146 on Oct 23, 2010 10:27:42 GMT
The Test Train Operators have hand-held Connect Radios (as do all LU T/Ops). The lack of a red front would theoretically prevent operation on NR sections of the District Line but is not an issue here.
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Post by setttt on Oct 23, 2010 10:33:51 GMT
The unit has already returned; 5069 was leading on the outward trip and 5068 on the return. Single ended units have all the necessary safety systems in both cabs to enable it to operate (empty) on its own on the 'mainline' so as such there is no particular procedure when the unconverted cab is leading. The unconverted cab only lacks equipment and controls associated with carrying passengers (door controls, public address etc). The T/Op would have a hand held Connect radio.
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Post by deadmans on Oct 24, 2010 15:59:33 GMT
Such a long way to send a train for "a minor maintenance issue".
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Post by Ben on Oct 24, 2010 18:13:15 GMT
Are you suggesting an alterior motive?
Perhaps Upminster might be used to store scrap A stock?
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Post by citysig on Oct 24, 2010 18:31:25 GMT
It was sent in the hope that it could use the wheel lathe. It couldn't and has now returned. I doubt anyone will waste time sending another up there for the same thing - unless they really want to look stupid.
There are no plans to store A-stock there - it took enough red tape to get this one up there.
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Post by metman on Oct 24, 2010 20:01:06 GMT
Why could it not use the wheel lathe? Gauging issues? Ruislip will be used to store them I guess  |
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Post by deadmans on Oct 25, 2010 18:12:45 GMT
Why could it not use the wheel lathe? Gauging issues? Ruislip will be used to store them I guess Without going into too much detail, they did not have the equipment needed to the turn A stock on the lathe. Its set up for D stock. However this issue may now be resolved. |
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Post by Colin on Nov 12, 2010 9:28:05 GMT
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Post by citysig on Nov 12, 2010 10:56:21 GMT
Also present at Upminster, for those that are interested, was C stock 5573-5599-5606.  Oh so that's where it's gone. No wonder we haven't got any trains - the Green Line has got them ;D |
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Oh so that's where it's gone. No wonder we haven't got any trains - the Green Line has got them ;D
