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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 13:48:32 GMT
Greetings Gang
I read elsewhere that the Chiltern Sandites/Watercannon DMU's are knackered, mechanically, and this year, Tripcock fitted EWS 66's are going to be running over the met instead, As soon as i see any paperwork or know more, i'll post it up. Something different anyway !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 14:47:09 GMT
Greetings Gang I read elsewhere that the Chiltern Sandites/Watercannon DMU's are knackered, mechanically, and this year, Tripcock fitted EWS 66's are going to be running over the met instead, As soon as i see any paperwork or know more, i'll post it up. Something different anyway ! Charmed Phil I heard something like this last year, when I was informed that 2009 would be the last year of the Mk1 DMU stock. Was told that the jetting power of the vehicles hauled by the class 66s would be at twice the pressure of the DMUs, and as such the new water trains would be able to travel at a much higher speed, which would be very handy ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 15:31:14 GMT
Indeed, a more nippy traction package would be very nice, although, as mentioned elsewhere on this forum, we wonder what sort of speed the 66's will be limited to on the met when water jetting, and when not, now we know they fit through all the platforms between Harrow and Amersham. I dare say signalling track circuit bonds and stuff will start getting blasted off if they up the PSI of the jetting too much !! Incidently, I have a picture of a former DRS Class 66402 at Ruislip Met Station a few sundays ago in a possession, i'll post it on my website when i get around to it. ginstersrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/Charmed Phil |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 16:23:22 GMT
I would imagine that fitting tripcocks to 66s will be a total nightmare! The beams that carried the tripcocks on the DMMUs were similar to SR EMU shoebeams and were mounted on the axle box ends As the 66s do not have axle box ends, they have the end of the axle itself rotating freely, there is no logical place to mount one. The bogie frame is not a simple fabrication that can have a tripcock bolted to it, it is a steel casting! The fabricated components present are all to do with the swing-arms for the radial steer mechanism on the bogies. There is also the issue of weight. 66s are marginal for weight at the best of times. The superstructure is tack-welded together to save weight. Although fire alarms are fitted there is no extinguisher system for the same reason. Can't you tell how much I love 'em......  |
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Post by metman on Aug 27, 2010 19:18:48 GMT
Gutted the 117s going! Loved the noise it made, enough to wake the dead!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 19:30:29 GMT
I dare say signalling track circuit bonds and stuff will start getting blasted off if they up the PSI of the jetting too much !! A good point! Hadn't thought of that.....but the sort of thing where I can see problems  And yes Metman, the noise was something else.....I actually thought after dark the green waterjet unit looked rather sinister.....wasn't the most visible of trains. |
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Post by metman on Aug 28, 2010 0:06:58 GMT
Yes, I know what you mean! I remember seeing it (or should it be hearing it!) at Harrow the other year. I thought it was a helicopter! Good stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2010 1:52:28 GMT
Gutted the 117s going! Loved the noise it made, enough to wake the dead!! Aye. But a Class 66's enough to wake more than just the dead... Oh, the hours those wretched things keep me awake! |
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Post by 21146 on Sept 15, 2010 17:59:18 GMT
Well, according to next week's Traffic Circular, this year's Chiltern leaf-clearing trains over LU will indeed be with tripcock-fitted Class 66's.
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Post by metman on Sept 15, 2010 22:56:40 GMT
Oh no  What's going to happen to the 3 car 117? |
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Post by wellgroomed on Sept 17, 2010 9:03:37 GMT
Oh no What's going to happen to the 3 car 117? Driver refreshers for the above start in the next few weeks or so. |
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2010 23:41:38 GMT
Does this mean the 117 will be back?
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Post by deadmans on Sept 18, 2010 10:58:32 GMT
The RAT is re- formed, and ready to run at Neasden.
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Post by metman on Sept 18, 2010 15:18:48 GMT
Which unit is it in? I'm going to guess it is in unit 5060-(6060)-6061-5061? No seen it in a while.
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Post by wellgroomed on Sept 19, 2010 9:02:46 GMT
Does this mean the 117 will be back? Yes, sir. Unable to confirm exact running arrangements yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 10:05:02 GMT
Greetings Gang
I have now seen a raft of paperwork and can confirm that the Top & Tailed 66s will be operating this year.
3 Class 66's have/are being fitted with Tripcocks at DBS's main depot Toton, and include the firstborn 66001 along with 66017 & 66019 and have been allocated to a pool of there own
WBST (Class 66 sandite with trip cock equipment)
I would imagine they will start appearing down here in the next few weeks for the start of the leaf-fall timetable around the end of september.
some interesting snippetts i dug up....
The old DMU vehicles have " reached the end of there natural lives and are becoming unreliable "
Transplant Battery Locos were considered, but having no suitable wagons in the fleet, and being limited to 25mph would be an issue, and could only work on LUL infrastructure.
The old DMU's pumped out water jet at 500bars, the new one 1500bars
The Old DMU's are on standby should the 66 hauled train become unavalible
The Clas 66 train will be limited to 40MPH while on LUL, formation will be Class 66 + two 60ft Flat Wagons (with the appro tanks, generator, pumps etc + Class 66
Train will do two Aylesbury - Amersham - Harrow - Marylebone and rtn trips each day, one early afternoon, one late night (timings to be confirmed)
12 DBS drivers (based at Acton at a guess) are to recieve the appro LUL Rules Training for this work by & too chiltern railways standards.
trains will carry LUL SCD's and Connect Radio Handsets.
Hows that all grab you ??
sounds good to me !!
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Post by Oracle on Sept 21, 2010 10:31:39 GMT
Interesting about the confirmation on tripcocks being fitted, especially as on this very erudite Forum recently it has been said that this was (from memory) going to be a very hard job in view of the construction of the locos. Just goes to prove that British engineering knowhow can solve practically any problem! And also appropriate that London, Ontario-built locos are going to be regularly running in London, England!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2010 11:31:50 GMT
By 60ft flat wagons do they mean LT ones or is it the usual lash-up that runs everywhere else?
As for Ontario built locos running in London, they've been running across London and into the Termini (for engineering work) ever since they arrived in 1998. Just after they got them for the Channel Tunnel trains to Dollands Moor Wembley Train Crews received a visit from the technical director of EWS's owning company, Wisconsin Central. When he asked them what they thought of these wonderful new engines they told him in no uncertain terms. Taken aback, he asked what could be done to solve the many issues that the Drivers had with them and he received the reply 'scuttle the ships in mid-Atlantic!'. He stayed away from Drivers after that......
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Post by Oracle on Sept 21, 2010 13:08:12 GMT
I have of course not failed to notice, even on NR generally, the 66s with the lovely Underground-style livery on in the past.
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Post by wellgroomed on Sept 30, 2010 1:43:06 GMT
Oh no What's going to happen to the 3 car 117? Driver refreshers for the above start in the next few weeks or so. Driver refreshers planned for today and tomorrow around lunchtime. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 17:59:35 GMT
As an A60 driver sitting Spare, I was called upon to pilot the Chiltern water canon into Rickmansworth sidings last year. Glad I took some phone-photos on board, standing there in what resembled an explosion in a porridge factory.
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Post by 21146 on Oct 4, 2010 22:49:49 GMT
Anyone seen the Chiltern Water-Jetter out yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2010 20:04:12 GMT
If they do would they be so kind as to take picture of the tripcock arrangement on the 'Shed'? Thank you.
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Post by vato on Oct 14, 2010 8:02:39 GMT
Saw this passing north approx 0725 through chalfont & latimer today
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2010 13:54:08 GMT
Just saw the 66s north through chalfont, I was on the then arriving shuttle. I would have taken a picture otherwise.
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Post by deadmans on Oct 14, 2010 16:51:49 GMT
Which unit is it in? I'm going to guess it is in unit 5060-(6060)-6061-5061? No seen it in a while. 5066/5067 |
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Post by deadmans on Oct 14, 2010 16:53:09 GMT
Anyone seen the Chiltern Water-Jetter out yet? Yes saw them hammering down the route past northwick park yesterday afternoon. |
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Post by greatcentral on Oct 14, 2010 17:01:22 GMT
Seen just of Great Missenden heading N this afternoon at 14.55. Driving so no photo.
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Post by abe on Oct 15, 2010 17:18:51 GMT
And heading SB into Harrow-on-the-Hill (platform 2) at about 13.15 today.
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