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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2010 7:00:25 GMT
Greetings Gang
those are about the right times....
(Monday to Saturday - Sats = Subject to Engineering Work)
3S70 0505/1241 Aylesbury to Marylebone, Passing Amersham at 0536/1309, Ricky at 0548/1321, Harrow at 0600/1336, Marylebone arr 0613/1350
Departs Marylebone again at 0645/1404, passing Harrow at 0700/1416, passing Ricky 0713/1428, Amersham at 0725/1440 Aylesbury 0755/1510
Train then returns to Marylebone via High Wycombe.
SUNDAYS Path is 0814 from willesden/wembley yard, drops on circuit at Marylebone dep 0938, Harrow 0955, 1008 at Ricky , Amersham at 1020, 1049 at Aylesbury, then runs to Marylebone and back via High Wycombe before heading back up the met at
Aylesbury 1707, Amersham 1738, Ricky 1753, Harrow 1806, Marylebone 1825, then returns via Neasden Junction to Dudding Hill Lines and Willesden Yard.
Hope that lots useful to you all, and happy photting
Cheers
Phil
Correction to my earlier assumption, looks like EWS Wembley Crews, and the train seems to be based in Wembley Yard.
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Post by greatcentral on Oct 18, 2010 21:13:49 GMT
Thanks to PhilCentral for the info. Seen at Great Missenden this afternoon thundering through northbound at least 60mph - impressive!
Cheers
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Post by setttt on Oct 21, 2010 10:34:42 GMT
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Post by DWS on Oct 21, 2010 10:45:47 GMT
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Post by setttt on Oct 21, 2010 11:06:35 GMT
Where's the customary "  " ? Must admit I was taking the photographer's word for it, and if it is a tripcock, I guess the trip arm is latched up. But if it's not a tripcock, what is it? |
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 21, 2010 11:28:53 GMT
Where's the customary " " ? Must admit I was taking the photographer's word for it, and if it is a tripcock, I guess the trip arm is latched up. But if it's not a tripcock, what is it? To my inexperienced eye it looks like a sander. |
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 21, 2010 11:41:04 GMT
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Post by DWS on Oct 21, 2010 12:30:11 GMT
Having seen the rest of the photos, it is a tripcock valve box, but the trip arm looks to lached up.
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Post by t697 on Oct 21, 2010 18:30:05 GMT
Oh yes it is! It does look a little different because most of it is usually hidden behind an LU shoebeam. And for those of you used to tripcocks from any fleet from 1973TS onwards, the valve on the top is the large type (DR2 ?) that vents the Brake Pipe (Train Line in LU parlance) directly. LU still has these on A stock, C stock and Battery Locos etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 1:03:04 GMT
I'd put money on it being the tripcock with the trip arm latched up as stated above. It certainly isn't a regular fitting for a 66. It must have caused much head scratching among the DBS boffins to come up with this!
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 22, 2010 5:51:26 GMT
Oh yes it is! It does look a little different because most of it is usually hidden behind an LU shoebeam. And for those of you used to tripcocks from any fleet from 1973TS onwards, the valve on the top is the large type (DR2 ?) that vents the Brake Pipe (Train Line in LU parlance) directly. LU still has these on A stock, C stock and Battery Locos etc. Yes it is latched up and yes the valve looks like a good old DR2 (District Railway type 2). It would need to be of this type because the loco has a brake pipe instead of an ECEB wire. It looks as if it has a smaller pipe too, which would be the reset pipe. |
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Post by 21146 on Oct 25, 2010 17:18:24 GMT
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Post by metman on Oct 25, 2010 21:18:36 GMT
Certainly doesn't have the charm of the 117! ;D
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Post by citysig on Oct 26, 2010 10:40:05 GMT
The RAT didn't appear on time however. Ran well over an hour late, and due to "low risk" of poor rail conditions, simply ran Neasden-Amersham-Ricky sidings to wait for the evening trips. |
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 29, 2010 21:51:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2010 23:47:58 GMT
Fancy an esteemed author such as Chris Leigh stating that the three-car has 'engines on what was a trailer car'. The centre vehicle was a driving car with the cab replaced with a trailing end. He obviously doesn't read DD. That's where I got the info! That aside, the pictures are just what I needed as I am trying to model the three-car for a certain DD members 'Harrow On The Hill' layout!
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Post by metman on Oct 29, 2010 23:53:44 GMT
Get back to work....
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 30, 2010 10:07:19 GMT
Fancy an esteemed author such as Chris Leigh stating that the three-car has 'engines on what was a trailer car'. The centre vehicle was a driving car with the cab replaced with a trailing end. He obviously doesn't read DD. That's where I got the info! That aside, the pictures are just what I needed as I am trying to model the three-car for a certain DD members 'Harrow On The Hill' layout! I take it you are going to convert the Lima 117. IIRC Lima were criticised for using the 'powered' chassis for the centre car. As the Lima model was also incorrect in having two guards compartments (one of the driving cars had all passenger accommodation), Lima simply used the same body moulding. The easiest way to 'convert' the Lima model would be to swap the cab from one of the driving cars to the centre trailer. If you 'swapped' the powered unit cab you would have that in the centre of the formation. |
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Post by metman on Oct 30, 2010 10:25:14 GMT
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 30, 2010 10:46:09 GMT
Looking at the photograph again the unit is composed of three former DMBS units! The former cab end of the centre unit is nearest to the viewer in photo #4, the rake of the original windscreen being removed to accommodate the corridor connection? |
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Post by 21146 on Oct 30, 2010 14:33:55 GMT
The RAT didn't appear on time however. Ran well over an hour late, and due to "low risk" of poor rail conditions, simply ran Neasden-Amersham-Ricky sidings to wait for the evening trips. BAH! A wasted trip from east London! Hmm not sure I'll try for it again mid-day on this Monday... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2010 15:27:26 GMT
The Lima 117 trailing car was actually not too bad. It was as good an attempt as you were going to get and the body and chassis are pretty much correct. However, as Chiltern did, I'm using a DMBS vehicle for the centre car on the model. As for the driving cars, the DMBS on the Chiltern unit was pretty much unaltered but the DMS had some extra mods that will take some figuring out.
I'm an old hand at converting Lima stuff so, ultimately, the Sandite should be straightforward enough. The structure of the centre car is done. The cab has been replaced and the side cut away ready for the roller shutter. It's just the fiddly bits to do. I've also done more than a few conversions on Lima DMBS vehicles to turn them into DMS cars. Among other 'chop jobs' on Lima units I have a St Pancras -Bedford 127 done as well as a Pressed Steel driving trailer!
As for the 'Sandite' set, I must finish it before Metman has the layout ready if only to stop him running 66s...... Mind you, seeing the pictures of his lineside equipment makes me think it would stand up better than the METs!
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Post by citysig on Oct 30, 2010 20:49:23 GMT
BAH! A wasted trip from east London! Hmm not sure I'll try for it again mid-day on this Monday... It's reliability has increased as the past week has gone on (some of it down to the lifting of certain aspects of the industrial action). So you will more than likely catch it (well not literally of course ;D ) |
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Post by metman on Oct 30, 2010 20:56:14 GMT
Did I see trailer 6066 (spare from the RAT) siting outside the Northern Car wash at Neasden the other day? What happens to it at the moment?
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 31, 2010 14:20:34 GMT
I think I may have been mistaken about the make up of the green 3 car set. I think now it is made up of DMBS-DMS-DMS reading from L to R. The door of the guards compartment of the DMBS opens inwards and is cut away at the bottom to clear the step/floor. Only the left hand vehicle has this. The right hand vehicle the positions of the plated over doors and windows indicate that it was a DMS. The same apply's to the centre car if we are looking at the non-driving end which is likely as the exhausts are at that end.
The maroon 'bubble-car' appears to have been a 'route knowledge training vehicle' going by the additional seats and windows fitted to the guards compartment.
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Post by metman on Oct 31, 2010 15:31:33 GMT
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Post by phillw48 on Oct 31, 2010 18:32:26 GMT
This clarifies what units were used for the conversion. It is also clear that the centre car is a DMS not a DMBS as stated. The photograph of it just after conversion clearly shows it to be a DMS. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2010 22:17:01 GMT
I had noticed that the centre car was a DMS and not a DMBS. I mentioned the DMBS as the Lima one was the starting point for the conversion. The van conversion was done first and the finished vehicle will be another one of my 'it's amazing what a coat of paint will hide' jobs!
Back to reality and I find it amazing that DBS can run Sandite/spray trains top and tailed when locos are in short supply. Also, are they getting as grubby as the other regular sandite locos in the DBS fleet? It's quite something to see a loco on the mainline with no visible yellow on the front end!
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Post by deadmans on Nov 1, 2010 11:58:19 GMT
I saw the old green dmu working hard this morning just past Neasden junction. ;D
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