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Post by Colin on May 20, 2010 2:53:55 GMT
East Ham eastbound lightbox "Upminster" light has blown within the last 2 weeks. Only the Barking light shows. I should know as I get off and on at East Ham every weekday! Well it was certainly working 6 days ago...... Not too sure what side you are referring to, but my Upminster train this evening was showing on both sides of the light box at East Ham Eastbound this evening at about 19.55 - I would therefore suggest the defect you saw has now been rectified, probably as a result of station staff reporting it I'd imagine! ;D ;D
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Post by plasmid on May 20, 2010 19:24:15 GMT
Looked today whilst waiting on the WB platform. The light for Upminster only works on one side. That is the side on the EB approach, looking at it from WB and it clearly isn't working.
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Post by 21146 on May 20, 2010 22:41:44 GMT
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Post by ruislip on May 21, 2010 0:15:53 GMT
Is there any reason Baker Street is shown as a destination at Whitechapel? If H&Cs reverse there, would they use the Met platforms? (Isn't it coincidental that this weekend there's no H&C running from Hammersmith to Baker Street?)
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Post by mrfs42 on May 21, 2010 0:44:40 GMT
Is there any reason Baker Street is shown as a destination at Whitechapel? If H&Cs reverse there, would they use the Met platforms? (Isn't it coincidental that this weekend there's no H&C running from Hammersmith to Baker Street?) Can't think exactly when this would have happened in timetabling history - but I do remember reading something (or doing a run-out of it) about Whitechapel - Baker Street shorts. My mind is telling me sometime in the late 1940s/early 50s.... Hmmm... Positioning moves just after evening busy. H&C transfer trips to Neasden, perhaps. At this remove I can't exactly remember, but the light boxes would cover many eventualities of earlier service patterns.
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Post by 21146 on May 27, 2010 18:52:11 GMT
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Post by 21146 on May 29, 2010 23:52:42 GMT
Having another attempt to photograph the Aldgate East W/B describer produced a surprise result. Not an easy subject light-wise so I played around with camera settings. As you can see this one revealed a display not actually visible to the naked eye. Presumably the two "non-stopping" stations (Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park) are part-lit though a 'bastard feed' and were picked up by the camera sensor. Also shows beyond doubt that these describers are pre-1964: www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/4650794559/
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Post by mrfs42 on May 30, 2010 0:04:05 GMT
Very interesting - need to check in the notes if these were ever fully commissioned, I have my doubts for the feeds from the West.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2010 9:14:01 GMT
I am sure Cannon Street westbound had same until fairly recently. Looking at 21146's photos of 20 May, a sticker now covers the section provided for non-stopping. At the end (of non-stopping and the DR Hounslow service in October 1964), Ealing trains had non-stopped Gloucester Road and South Kensington, Richmond trains non-stopped Barons Court and West Kensington and Hounslow trains non-stopped Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park.
WTT 83 (10/10/60) saw the end of DR non-stopping Saturday peaks.
On the Wimbledon branch non-stopping at East Putney and Wimbledon Park was withdrawn from WTT 84 (12/6/61). In the same WTT non-stopping at West Brompton ceased in the direction of the peak flow.
Non-stopping at West Brompton in the counterflow peak direction was withdrawn from WTT 85 (18/6/62).
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Post by 21146 on May 30, 2010 9:42:46 GMT
So Cannon Street's describers pre-date the current (c1970) platform finish? (Just as Aldgate East's now do.)
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2010 12:06:26 GMT
That's an interesting point!
It may be that the sign wasn't installed until the c.1970 mod but the displays could have mirrored those that were already in situ elsewhere (e.g. Aldgate East) - i.e. in destination displays, whether or not they were used. In 1970, of course, they wouldn't have been.
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Post by su31 on May 31, 2010 1:35:06 GMT
Last time I was on nights at Cannon Street, a firm came out to survey the describer on the w/b. They took details of all the measurements and destinations / text panels. They advised me that they have been tasked to refurb the box (similar to the Earl's Court District line ones) and replace the (ever-failing) lamps with new LED ones. We'll see if this ever gets done...
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Post by DWS on May 31, 2010 7:37:19 GMT
When the control desk at Earls Court Regulating Room for Tower Hill was commissioned on 10th December 1967 the train describers on the westbound had push-buttons to set up the following codes. Ealing ............... E Ealing non-stop EN Ealing Common Depot ED Hounslow H Houndslow non-stop HN Northfields N Richmond R Richmond RN Wimbledon W Wimbledon non-stop WN Putney Bridge PB Parsons Green PG South Kensington SK Circle C Special S
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Post by mrfs42 on May 31, 2010 8:30:28 GMT
PB codes predate Earls Court going onto PMs by a longish chalk: - Supp. to TC 37/63 Automatic Junction Working at Turnham Green
- Westbound
E Ealing EN Ealing non-stop H Hounslow N Northfields AT Acton Town R Richmond RN Richmond non stop UX Uxbridge RL Rayners Lane SH South Harrow G LMR Goods S Special
- Eastbound
U Upminster D Dagenham East B Barking P Plaistow W Whitechapel M Mansion House CX Charing Cross SK South Kensington ER Edgware Road HS High Street TS Triangle Sidings EC Earls Court G LMR Goods S Special C Cockfosters O Oakwood AG Arnos Grove WG Wood Green
- Supp to TC 51/63 Automatic Junction working at Hammersmith
- Westbound
E Ealing EN Ealing non-stop H Hounslow N Northfields AT Acton Town R Richmond RN Richmond non stop UX Uxbridge RL Rayners Lane SH South Harrow G LMR Goods HM Hammersmith BC Barons Court S Special
- Eastbound
U Upminster D Dagenham East B Barking P Plaistow W Whitechapel M Mansion House CX Charing Cross SK South Kensington ER Edgware Road HS High Street TS Triangle Sidings EC Earls Court G LMR Freight S Special C Cockfosters O Oakwood AG Arnos Grove WG Wood Green
- Supp 26/65 Automatic Junction Working at Acton Town and Ealing Common
- Westbound
E Ealing EN Ealing non-stop UX Uxbridge WB Picc running direct to UX sidings must be described as UX RL Rayners Lane SH South Harrow H Hounslow N Northfields ED Ealing Common Depot AT Acton Town S Special any ballast trains to West Ken described as Special
- Eastbound
U Upminster D Dagenham East B Barking P Plaistow WH Whitechapel MH Mansion House CX Charing Cross SK South Kensington ER Edgware Road HS High Street TS Triangle Sidings EC Earls Court HM Hammersmith AT Acton Town ED Ealing Common Depot CF Cockfosters O Oakwood AG Arnos Grove WG Wood Green S Special TGL Turnham Green Siding
Phew! It was worth typing all those codes into a database a couple of years ago. The database has some reference to an extract from TC 2/64 - about NOOT being prohibited at Turnham Green EB local junction; and I can't remember OTTOMH when Sunday reversing at Charing Cross finished. Later on today, I'll dig the originals out and see if there is anything further of interest. EDIT: of course Hounslow became Hatton Cross and then Heathrow - I've got something on the non-stopping (pre-1964 codes too)...
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Post by mrfs42 on May 31, 2010 8:45:32 GMT
Lifted straight from the database - N A Non Stop A EB [Non Stop] Gloucester Road and South Kensington (ex Ealing Broadway)
Turnham Green and Hammersmith only
- N C Non Stop C EB [Non Stop] Barons Court and West Kensington (ex Richmond)
Turnham Green and Hammersmith only
- N D Non Stop D EB [Non Stop] Stamford Brook and Ravenscourt Park (ex Hounslow)
Turnham Green and Hammersmith only
- N C Non Stop C EB [Non Stop] ?? Barons Court and West Kensington (ex Gunnersbury)
Turnham Green EB Local
- N AC Non Stop AC EB [Non Stop] ?? Stamford Brook, Ravenscourt Park, Gloucester Road, South Ken (ex Acton Town)
Turnham Green EB Local
Can't find the WB codes ATM.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 9:17:09 GMT
Is there any reason Baker Street is shown as a destination at Whitechapel? If H&Cs reverse there, would they use the Met platforms? (Isn't it coincidental that this weekend there's no H&C running from Hammersmith to Baker Street?) Can't think exactly when this would have happened in timetabling history - but I do remember reading something (or doing a run-out of it) about Whitechapel - Baker Street shorts. My mind is telling me sometime in the late 1940s/early 50s.... Hmmm... Positioning moves just after evening busy. H&C transfer trips to Neasden, perhaps. At this remove I can't exactly remember, but the light boxes would cover many eventualities of earlier service patterns. It certainly lasted longer as Met No2 Section Mon - Fri WTT 253 for Summer 1975 shows the following moves to return trains to Neasden after the evening peak. 241 1838½ Whitechapel - Baker Street arr 1857 Pfm 2 then Ety to Neasden via Bloo from Finchley Road 230 1918 Whitechapel - Baker Street arr 1936 Pfm 2 then Ety to Neasden via Bloo from Finchley Road 233 1938 Whitechapel - Baker Street arr 1956 Pfm 2 then Ety to Neasden via Met to Neasden I'm sure MRFS42 can let us know how long this lasted.
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Post by mrfs42 on May 31, 2010 9:27:23 GMT
I'll have a dig around in a bit - I can now get to the bits of the library with the District Perils and Metropolitan WTTs. <whisper> angelislington has woken up! </whisper>
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Post by mrfs42 on May 31, 2010 10:11:31 GMT
I'm sure MRFS42 can let us know how long this lasted. Depends what you mean! I've gone up as far as WTTs 280/281 (December 1982) before they were reissued as WTT 280A/281A as part of the OPO modifications. It had dropped to one train by No1/No 2 WTTs 268/271 (Dec. 1977) being 233 1838½ Wcpl - BkS arr 18d59½ Ety to the Klondyke via Bloo. However, in April 1979 with No 1/2 WTTs 275/276 this single train off the H&C to Neasden changed to the 1824 ex-Barking running in service as far as BkS arr 1901½ and then Ety to N via Met. In December 1982 (WTTs 280/1) the TD of this particular train changed from BKN to WPO, so it ran loaded as far as Wembley Park.
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Post by 21146 on May 31, 2010 12:53:22 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Jun 7, 2010 21:11:06 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Jun 7, 2010 21:16:18 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Jun 7, 2010 23:58:42 GMT
Can it be confirmed that the 1960s/70s "light box" describers have been removed from the EB at Becontree and Dagenham Heathway? There were of course no WB platform describers between Upminster and Upney, nor EB between Dagenham East and Upminster. The "First Train" indicator on the east end footbridge at Upminster has gone, is there still one at the west (main) footbridge and of what style? IIRC there were also "First Westbound Train" signs in the ticket halls of Dagenham East and Plaistow to cater for bay road departures. These were of the same same silver edged/black glass design, have these been removed too?
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Post by Colin on Jun 8, 2010 1:26:00 GMT
Can it be confirmed that the 1960s/70s "light box" describers have been removed from the EB at Becontree and Dagenham Heathway? Confirmed - replaced by dot matrix indicators. There were of course no WB platform describers between Upminster and Upney, nor EB between Dagenham East and Upminster. There are now!! Mind you, most of them only show District Line - presumably they'll show more when the new signalling eventually goes in.... Hornchurch is still information free both roads. The "First Train" indicator on the east end footbridge at Upminster has gone, That is now back in position and working. is there still one at the west (main) footbridge and of what style? There is indeed - the same lightbox jobby that has been there for years. IIRC there were also "First Eastbound Train" signs in the ticket halls of Dagenham East and Plaistow to cater for bay road departures. These were of the same same silver edged/black glass design, have these been removed too? I'll leave that for someone else to answer as I wouldn't have the first idea. I suspect they'll be gone now though as both of those stations have been refurbished and had their respective platform lightboxes replaced with dot matrix indicators.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 8, 2010 10:09:31 GMT
[ IIRC there were also "First Eastbound Train" signs in the ticket halls of Dagenham East and Plaistow to cater for bay road departures. These were of the same same silver edged/black glass design, have these been removed too? I meant "WESTBOUND" of course!
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Post by DWS on Jun 8, 2010 11:14:53 GMT
[ IIRC there were also "First Eastbound Train" signs in the ticket halls of Dagenham East and Plaistow to cater for bay road departures. These were of the same same silver edged/black glass design, have these been removed too? I meant "WESTBOUND" of course! Not been to Dagenham East station for a long time, but the last time I was in Barking Signal Box (LT) the set up buttons for the sign for the Ticket Hall light box at Dag.E. was still in place.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 8, 2010 20:46:37 GMT
Original layout of Aldgate East W/B
(looking west):
(left panel:)
NOT STOPPING AT WEST BROMPTON RAVENSCOURT PARK STAMFORD BROOK WEST KENSINGTON BARONS COURT SOUTH KENSINGTON GLOUCESTER ROAD
(centre panel:)
FIRST HAMMERSMITH VIA KING'S CROSS WIMBLEDON HOUNSLOW WEST RICHMOND EALING BDWY
(right panel:)
TRAIN SPECIAL STOPS HERE PUTNEY BRIDGE NORTHFIELDS PARSONS GREEN ACTON TOWN
"ACTON TOWN" was replaced by "EALING COMMON" in 1965, "NORTHFIELDS" was replaced by "BAKER STREET" in 1966.
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Post by plasmid on Jul 5, 2010 15:24:23 GMT
Light boxes at East Ham REMOVED. Haven't looked at any other stations, they've been missing for nearly a week now, finally in the process of being replaced?
There is no station announcer to announce the next train, the station has just been left in the dark as I say for nearly a week now.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 5, 2010 18:24:57 GMT
Stepney Green EB gone too!
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Post by Ben on Jul 5, 2010 18:26:48 GMT
I hope this thread hasn't inadvertantly alerted the powers that be of items that are out of corporate favour :/
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 10, 2010 10:21:32 GMT
Upton Park BOTH gone now!
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