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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2009 22:29:13 GMT
Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but are there a couple of C stock units running about with the old DVA in? I travelled on 5708 the other day, and a unit tonight (which I can't remember the number) with a different version on it, there is no mention of London Overground, and some parts of the speech are really slow, and others really quick. Just wondering if this is indeed the old one, or a newer version, as hadn't heard it before. I did get some recordings and when I have edited and uploaded them I'll link them here.
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Post by happybunny on Nov 24, 2009 23:39:52 GMT
well I wasn't aware of any mentioning "London Overground". Since the LO takeover of Silverlink I haven't noticed any C Stocks announce "London Overground" at West Brompton.. I will stand corrected though.
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Post by jimini on Nov 24, 2009 23:41:46 GMT
I noticed this too on a Wimbleware this evening (ex HSK at about 1740). The voice used for all announcements is the same one that's been slotted into the D stock announcements regarding the closure of Blackfriars. I only went from HSK to West Brompton but, as you say, it makes no mention of LO at the latter. The announcements I heard were very disjointed compared to the usual DVA. I can't comment on whether it's a copy of a previous DVA, or whether it's an extension of the one created for the Blackfriars announcements but, either way, I hope it won't become the norm!
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Post by jimini on Nov 24, 2009 23:45:59 GMT
well I wasn't aware of any mentioning "London Overground". Since the LO takeover of Silverlink I haven't noticed any C Stocks announce "London Overground" at West Brompton.. I will stand corrected though. No, you're quite correct. The only reason why I mentioned it was because something's clearly been changed, but the actual content hasn't been updated, which struck me as a little odd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 8:48:20 GMT
Some units of C Stock have been and iare n the process of being upgraded for the new timetable, which may have reflected this change. I'll check my recordings tonight as I have a fairly recent set at home, am sure they just announce national rail services though! Other lines have been modified to say london overground where necessary but this may have happend where system upgrade has taken place ;D
Apparently one of the system upgrade problems is that you cant advertise a circle service at the moment because they terminate at either Edgware Road or Hammersmith, in rediness for the change over ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 12:45:13 GMT
I am told with the new uploads the District main has been removed, so you can no longer set up Wimbledon - Mansion House (for example). (With a suggestion that new blinds have removed all places C stock get diverted to on the District.) We shall see, haven't seen a new blind or heard a new DVA yet ... but if true, demonstrates an appalling lack of thought and foresight !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 20:03:11 GMT
Have checked recordings and the only mention of london overground that I have found on the current set of recordings from C Stock that I have is or seems to be Hammersmith & Cityline at Barking (ie. The Next Station/This station is Barking, Change here for London Overground and National Rail Services), and from what I recall its been "national rail services" ever since the system was updated from the origional changeover. Asume that as silverlink was part of NR anyway, was deemed un-necessary to be a seperate announcement - am suprised they decided to make the alteration to Barking realy! Would appear that this is one of the units that has been done. It should'nt be possible for software to revert to earlier versions, it normally wipes whats present then installs fresh (altough not impossible - wonder if it was "Vista" friendly ;D ;D ;D (or norton found a virus !) I know a few amendments were made with the closure of Blackfriars but I think this was purley associated with circles at Mansion House. Would be a bad move if they have removed district destinations in my opinion too - At least at present such moves as HSK-OLY can be set if they wanted to nick a set for an awol D Stock unit ;D Looks like i'm going to have to melt the MP3 recorder again for a new set of announcements.... ;D
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Post by plasmid on Nov 25, 2009 21:19:09 GMT
Norton found a virus?
*shock*
Norton must be the worst anti-virus product since records began. Kaspersky is where it's all at!
Windows Vista?
*shock*
The worst OS since records began! Vista is a step back from Windows XP! Windows 7 is a step in the right direction!
Crikey! No wonder these C stocks suffer!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2009 22:48:12 GMT
;D ;D ;D Not as bad as desiros on Windows 3.1 ;D ;D I would guess it would be probably dos based - thinking back from when they were introduced, would like to see the set up program just out of curiosiity just to see what its like . I still say that its one of the better systems (apart from when you get loads of wheelslip and the next stations get confused of course!!!), considering when it was introduced and what was available at the time - simple but effective - well the use of it anyway, updating am not so sure Must have been hard getting kit like that to work well underground at the time...
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Post by jimini on Nov 26, 2009 9:32:23 GMT
I was on a circle line train this morning that had the aforementioned DVA in action. If anyone's interested in having a listen, I made a recording of it (much to the bemusement of the chap stood next to me). PM me if you'd like a copy (not sure how to fileshare it on here!)
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Post by Alight on Nov 26, 2009 15:37:11 GMT
I would love a copy Jimbo - I have PMed you. In regards to the question as to whether it was the original DVA (VERA), I have a few VERA soundfiles so please PM me if you would like them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 16:59:11 GMT
Its definatly not the origional! She sounds very similar to something along the lines of the 378 woman - although it may sound different on the 69 stocks. Oh well, looks like there some 69 stock bashing to do and melt the MP3 recorder again.... Typical as I've just completed the previous set....... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Alight on Nov 26, 2009 17:48:42 GMT
Well I've had a listen. Certainly 'slow' is an accurate description! There is a slight possibility it could be Emma Clarke slowed down, but it really doesn't sound like her! It is definately not VERA either! If I'm honest, I quite like this version! It is good to compare it to the sound file provided here: www.haltestellenansage.de/ansagen/u/london/circle_en.htmAgain, you'll realise there are differences such as "change for" instead of "changer here for." Also Emma Clarke's version mentions the district line as an interchange, whereas this one doesn't. On the other hand, the C stock still uses "Exit" whereas the D78s reverted back to 'Alight' earlier this year, so that isn't a difference. Could it be Janet Mayo? I'm not sure if it is the 378 woman because that announcer sounds more like Emma Hignett who does the buses.
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Post by SE13 on Nov 26, 2009 18:52:01 GMT
Apple ogies, I thought Jimbo was going to post it but never mind, it makes no odds who does. I was on a circle line train this morning that had the aforementioned DVA in action. If anyone's interested in having a listen, I made a recording of it (much to the bemusement of the chap stood next to me). PM me if you'd like a copy (not sure how to fileshare it on here!) You can download it HERE Right click to save, left click to hear. It works in Real Player, but I'm sure conversions are available for those that don't have it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 19:00:48 GMT
If I'm honest, I quite like this version! Same here! I reckon it is a real improvement as it has a Central line 'Janet Mayo old school' sound to it. All good to me! Could it be Janet Mayo? I'm not sure if it is the 378 woman because that announcer sounds more like Emma Hignett who does the buses. I don't reckon it is Janet. To be honest I don't think I've heard this voice before. Thanks to all for the replies from my opening post, much appreciated
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Post by uzairjubilee on Nov 26, 2009 19:13:23 GMT
Dont like it to be honest
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Post by Alight on Nov 26, 2009 19:36:01 GMT
Although I say I quite like it, I would argue that Emma Clarke's version flows more smoothly.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Nov 26, 2009 19:50:21 GMT
Thats the reason I dont like this one and prefer Emma's one far more.
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Post by Alight on Nov 26, 2009 20:13:25 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone have a recording of the updated Blackfriars announcement featuring this new voice-over artist?
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Post by jimini on Nov 26, 2009 21:18:54 GMT
Apple ogies, I thought Jimbo was going to post it but never mind, it makes no odds who does. Sorry chief, I was on my way out of the office as you set it up. I'm with some of the comments above; it's got no flow to it, compared to the old one. No-one likes change though eh, but we'll all get used to it soon enough!
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Post by jimini on Nov 26, 2009 21:20:25 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone have a recording of the updated Blackfriars announcement featuring this new voice-over artist? If there's not one already out there, I can get a recording of it on Monday on my way home.
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Post by djlynch on Nov 27, 2009 5:20:49 GMT
I would argue that Emma Clarke's version flows more smoothly. I was impressed the last time I was in London by how well they had done at making the DVAs sound like they were playing a single recording straight through instead of stringing various phrases together. IMO, the trick is to avoid the unnaturally long or unnaturally short pauses, but I guess that requires more attention to detail than a lot of the people editing these things seem to put into them.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Nov 27, 2009 8:59:07 GMT
That's exactly what I was thinking as well, but I didnt know how to word it correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 17:30:43 GMT
I would argue that Emma Clarke's version flows more smoothly. I was impressed the last time I was in London by how well they had done at making the DVAs sound like they were playing a single recording straight through instead of stringing various phrases together. IMO, the trick is to avoid the unnaturally long or unnaturally short pauses, but I guess that requires more attention to detail than a lot of the people editing these things seem to put into them. You wasn't on the Picc then! ;D
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Post by Alight on Nov 27, 2009 17:47:33 GMT
It could be argued that the system present on the 1967/1972mk2 stocks has a very realistic sounding DVA as I get the impression each station has its own recorded announcement for interchanges as opposed to a collection of recordings strung together:
In other words it runs like "This is Euston. Change here for the Northern Line and London Overground and National Rail services" as opposed to "This is Euston. Change...here...for...the northern line....and.....london overground.....and national rail services"
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Post by uzairjubilee on Nov 27, 2009 20:47:35 GMT
But the Piccadilly DVA isnt as bad as this new one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 22:33:47 GMT
You reckon Uzair...the Picc one is terrible! I actually think it has a really nasty, sinister sound to it. It is not a voice I would personally tally with an LU train. Janet Mayo all the way.......
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Post by astock5000 on Nov 27, 2009 23:00:06 GMT
IMO, the trick is to avoid the unnaturally long or unnaturally short pauses, but I guess that requires more attention to detail than a lot of the people editing these things seem to put into them. The DVA on South West Trains is horrible - it doesn't have any pauses at all. E.g. ...calling atVauxhallClapham JunctionEarlsfieldWimbledon... You reckon Uzair...the Picc one is terrible! I actually think it has a really nasty, sinister sound to it. It is not a voice I would personally tally with an LU train. Janet Mayo all the way....... I think the Picc DVA is one of the best ones.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 27, 2009 23:02:38 GMT
That's exactly what I was thinking as well, but I didnt know how to word it correctly. There are a few glitches - one I notice on the buses is "King Edward STREET", as if the previous stop had been "King Edward (something else)", which it hasn't (it's City Thameslink station). It is conventional to put the stress on "road" "avenue" etc, but for a "street" to put the stress on the name. So: Oxford ROAD, but OXFORD Street.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2009 8:38:16 GMT
One of the problems with this type of system is that do you record a set for every message that will ever play out or do you string together a set that can be "cut and pasted" as required? One of the usual problems is the amount of space it takes up and what is available in the memory as well. I will also agree with the bakerloo line one, its been queued spot on with very little gaps at all and the current (not new one being installed!) on C stock I though was one of the better ones. I've managed to create some good recordings myself but its knowing where to cut each track to get it exactly right. As stated, the SWT version is particularly poor in that it is purly stations pasted together with approapriate message sections. The origional version done by Phil Sayer was much better but thats a different story and has been discussed on other pages ;D
You will probably find this version was a quick fix version done to "get it going", and may find the final version will (hopefully) be a vast improvement ;D ;D
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