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Post by underground95 on Jul 26, 2009 21:57:44 GMT
Hi, im new here. Im asking for some technical info on the 1986 Stock. I recently found out that they were fitted with electronic chopper control systems! 1. Did each builder fit their own electronic chopper control systems? 2. Did they sound different to the result of the experiment, the 1992 Stock? 3. Does anyone know whether there is any video footage with sound or recordings of the stock because i never heard them and i would love to know what they sounded like. 4. Any other info, let me know. They are one of my favourite tube stocks. Please reply soon, James.
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Post by Alight on Jul 27, 2009 12:08:51 GMT
Hi,
If you look, there is a thread on here about the 1986 DVA just underneath this one (at the time of writing). I managed to find a recording of the DVA, along with the trains in situ from a DVD-video a fellow member gave to me. Please PM for details.
In regards to sound, yes I would say they sound slightly different from what I heard.
As for other information, wikipedia has quite an interesting page on the stock and shows photographs of the interiors of the 3 different car designs. The 1986 stock has a very '80s interpretation of futuristic design, but I must say, trying them out at the Acton depot* they are most uncomfortable!
*The Acton depot still preserves a green car.
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Post by maxtube on Jul 27, 2009 18:09:43 GMT
Talking of comfort, I noticed that interestingly the blue train (I think, if not red) had tranverse seating, like the 72 and 67 stock. Pretty interesting, and considering that train won, it's a shame they weren't implemented.
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Post by 100andthirty on Jul 27, 2009 19:32:46 GMT
three 4-car trains:
A - red - Metro-Cammell, GEC traction package B - blue - BREL, Brush traction package C - green - Metro-Cammell, Brown Boveri traction package
I don't remember much about the sound, but vaguely recall that gearbox whine dominated.
the final design was a sort of "best bits" of all. C train design with Brown Boveri traction package, (but with Brush motors) built by BREL. Contributors might wish to see their own choice of words instead of "best bits"!!!!
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Post by underground95 on Jul 27, 2009 21:47:16 GMT
Thanks for this wealth of information! This really makes me happy because... Im not promising anything but, i might model the trains for MSTS! The reason im not promising is because im only 14 and it would be my first go at 3D modelling. Its quite a big aim! But ill try... I live in Ireland, and i prefer the railways in England to the ones here. My favourite period would be the late 70's to early 90's, the good old days! Trains both London Underground and British Rail were great then and it was much better than the mess we have today... MSTS is my only window to the railways i love and i enjoy the experience of taking in what the railways were like then. I have some British Rail trains and some London Underground trains. For more info about my MSTS please PM me. I am planning to attempt the 1986 Experimental Stock because they are extravagant and nobody has attempted them. I could use the Networker Sounds for the Green Prototype A. In order to model there trains i will require all the pictures to be found of them. And indeed the other technical info like top speeds etc. Sincere Gratitude, James
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Post by underground95 on Jul 27, 2009 21:53:46 GMT
Oh, My mistake! I could use the Networker Sounds on the RED Prototype A.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2009 8:56:18 GMT
Go for it James. I would recommend 3DC as a good modelling package but you will need the pro version which is about £40. Richard Scott and I use this to model our LU stuff. He does the stock and I do the cabs. Not bad what you can achieve if you have enough source material and enthusiasm to stick with it. This was my attempt of the 1938 stock cab in 3DC. districtdave.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Rail&action=display&thread=8197
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Post by mrfs42 on Jul 28, 2009 15:20:09 GMT
After doing a bit of scratting around the outer reaches of the library, I found this, which you may find of interest: I'm sure you can see what *didn't* come to fruition... ;D
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Post by underground95 on Jul 28, 2009 20:39:12 GMT
Darren, Is there any free equivalent of 3DC that is as good as the paid version?
mrfs42, That info will be a great help to my project. I just need some pictures of cabs and exteriors etc. And a little more technical info, documents or drawings. And some footage or recordings.
My aim for my project is high detail and hopefully its a success! Sincere Gratitude, James
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2009 12:05:23 GMT
The only free equivelent I can think of is Blender. www.blender.org/Most programs can offer the same functionality. The bit that cost the money is the exporter to get it into the sim. The free version of 3DC does not have this and GMax is not supported either. I'm not sure about Blender as I haven't used it and didn't see as much support for it as 3DC on UKTS. That's how I made my choice. At 14, I can see why you don't want to shell out the money. Try 3DC's free version and if you can get on with it, go for an upgrade. As for material, you picked a right one to start with as I have seen very few pics of the 1986 stock. Darren.
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Post by underground95 on Jul 29, 2009 14:13:28 GMT
Well, i will download the free 3DC and Blender now and see how user friendly they are and i will train myself a few times before making a start. Im very good at drawing and technical drawing so it might be easy. The 1986 Experimental Stock is one of my favourite stocks and i am willing to take on this massive challenge. So i need lots of info! James
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Post by underground95 on Aug 1, 2009 19:22:32 GMT
Does anyone kno the measurements, top speeds of the trains? James.
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 1, 2009 20:57:54 GMT
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Post by underground95 on Aug 1, 2009 21:06:17 GMT
Thanks, anyone have cab pictures? James
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 9:53:39 GMT
Thanks, anyone have cab pictures? James Pretty much the same as the 1983 stock, apart from having the DVA and a few other little things.
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Post by underground95 on Aug 2, 2009 11:06:52 GMT
Thanks
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 2, 2009 16:35:14 GMT
Thanks, anyone have cab pictures? James Pretty much the same as the 1983 stock, apart from having the DVA and a few other little things. The traction/brake controllers were the same as 1983 tube stock and ordered as part of that contract.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 13:01:37 GMT
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Post by Alight on Aug 3, 2009 17:16:20 GMT
underground95 - I have emailed you the recordings you wanted CabDarren - great pics, thank you! --- In case you haven't seen so already, here is a video clip on youtube of the 1986 stock:
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Post by underground95 on Aug 4, 2009 10:38:04 GMT
Those pictures will be a great help Darren! Alight, i got the recordings last night and i am very thankful for them. James
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Post by underground95 on Oct 6, 2009 15:29:34 GMT
Is there driving equipment under the perch seats at the ends of every car like the 1992 Stock? Are they coupled in two like the 1992 Stock too? Please reply soon because i'm making the trains for MSTS
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Post by 100andthirty on Oct 6, 2009 19:07:47 GMT
they were two car sets. Originally intended to run as 8-car, but would have struggled to fit the Jubilee platforms (where they ran) so they were made into two two-car trains, nominally with two cars from each type. The blue train wasn't allowed to have more than two cars in any train.
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Post by underground95 on Oct 6, 2009 19:41:42 GMT
Ok so there isn't any driving equipment under the perch seats in the DM? Just trailers?
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Post by carlovel1 on Oct 6, 2009 21:04:26 GMT
What did they sound like?
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Post by underground95 on Oct 6, 2009 21:59:38 GMT
Does that mean there is headlights on the outer ends of each two car set? The red prototype A could have sounded like the first trains on DART system here in Dublin as they both have GEC traction and they were built around the same time. Thats what i'm aliasing to for my MSTS train A. I have a sound recording of the blue and green trains and they sound nothing like the 1992 Stock. I dont know whether the sound is coming from blue or green but i think it's the blue.
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Post by Ben on Oct 8, 2009 4:09:43 GMT
Interesting restriction with the blue train. Why so? I thought the Jubilee (Fleet) was built with eventual 8 (short) car opperation in site?
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Post by 21146 on Oct 8, 2009 10:52:29 GMT
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Post by 100andthirty on Oct 8, 2009 19:14:28 GMT
Interesting restriction with the blue train. Why so? I thought the Jubilee (Fleet) was built with eventual 8 (short) car opperation in site? By the time the prototype trains hs arrived, OPO had been introduced and the platforms were no longer quite long enough for an 8-car train. Whilst a 6-car prototype was shorter than a 1983 tube stock, the capacity was about the same. the restriction on the blue train related to its brakes. they were a bit marginal at high speed and high load. (this train had motor mounted disc brakes and the pad material wasn't quite good enough (problem later solved by pad manufacturers with the development of high speed trains) but in company with 4 cars of red or green was fine.
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Post by underground95 on Oct 9, 2009 8:03:52 GMT
So on the back of the DM there is lights and there are lights on the both ends of the UNDM? Was there only 2 cars built of the Blue train? And 4 of the other two.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 9, 2009 9:06:47 GMT
There wouldn't be any marker/tail lights on the trailing end of the DM cars, only the NDM as shown in 21146s pic.
There were 4-cars of each train:
Metro-Cammell "A" (red) DM 11-21, 22-12 DM BREL Ltd "B" (blue) DM 13-23, 24-14 DM Metro-Cammell "C" (green) DM 15-25, 26-16 DM
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