1992 stock haters

Does it have armrests?

Oh and no armrests!

Ooh pretty! It wasn't what was featured in the bulletin from the Line Standard Manager. The bulletin featured no arm rests, as when we did have them, our eastend bretherin enjoyed using them as coshes. Or sending them the same way as fire extinguisers. There was talk of trialing a few designs, the only internal make overs they'll see before the Olympics...
Underneath a staggering £150 million has been spent on Siemens refurbish the boogies.

The keen eyed amoungst you may notice the Seimens trucks painted grey, and replacements are about half way through the fleet. The Kawazki trucks are black. The only external thing is around the windows, they are being taken out, cleaned of ali rot on the window pans and sealed up properly to prevent water leaking through. On some trains this quite noticable, with a fresh White outline around the window.

I have to ask though, in what way does this design ( tinyurl.com/y95937w ) take any note or inspiration from any heritage LT has had? Not that it should be full of red and green roundels and have leather armrests, but how can it be identified as being from London? It just looks bland, cheap and annonomous. I thought it was commented elsewhere that new designs on the tube were supposed to be distinctly a product of TfL?

The 92 armrests were deliberatly made to snap off if someone fell on them, unfortunatly the yob element found out that a kick also broke them off. This idea was not carried on with the 95/96 stocks and the armrests have remained in place. A simple solution would be to fit standard armrests to any refurbishment.

I think that referred to the 'competition' organised to design a moquette for the Piccadilly Line replacement stock onwards.

Which previous moquette do you think captured your aspirations?
I think this probably fitted the bill? (as fitted to R Stock from new):

tinyurl.com/ycv2893 (an excellent design!)

Once the Bakerloo stock has been replaced, the Central is next anyway, assuming a rolling time sequence of tube stock replacement is adhered to.

So its not really much to a rumour that the Central is next after that - it will be anyway.


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Nick

Yes I was going to say 35 years of service minimum, why else would they have just spent 150 million squid on new/refurbished bogies.

I agree with the charm and character point 100%. Though we can remember the 92ts as the fastest accelerating stock since their introduction until now, the first fully ATO system on the Underground, the first tube stock to hit 62mph (not sure on that, someone correct me if I am wrong) and the first tube stock to be designed with wide doors.

It does appear that way, whether the 72s will last that long who knows!

Anyway, back on topic, thanks for posting that photo link. The seats look smart but very uncomfortable. I'd rather stand!

The question is, of course, will the 92ts get replaced around 2020, or will it push out towards its design life of 2027-2032.

Certainly the idea of replacing the fleet around the same time as the 72 stock was seriously on the agenda a couple of years ago. However it seems to be a concept whose time has come and gone. Apart from the current squeeze on the purse strings, a hypothetical premature replacement would not solve the issues which are a problem for the 92 stock NOW - electronics obsolescence, DDA compliance, and condition of the bodyshells.

Of course they'll last! We have the Blue Peter fleet... Made with a bit of sticky back plastic, and selotape! Next stop Tracy Island.

If the design life of the new bogies, etc is significantly greater than the realistic remaining life of the body shells would it be possible to reuse the former with a new bodyshell? It might restrict the design of the new body to something similar to the existing fleet, but the main problem with the trains as they are is build quality not design quality.