1992 stock haters

Can I ask why even more wheelchair areas are needed, given that in all my substantial experience on the line I have never, ever, seen a single wheelchair user on there. I have however seen many, many occasions when all the seats are occupied, presumably under this proposal some of these would have to be removed.

The DDA is a law that discriminates against the majority, which forced London to get rid of the best form of transport it ever had aka the Routemaster.

I daresay someone will shoot me down for saying this!

Well this is the problem isn't it! Get on the Bakerloo at Harrow or Queens Park and go into London, but you can't get out anywhere, except Brixton!

It's not about this - it's about compromise. I don't begrudge helping disabled people - in fact, I would go out of my way to assist someone who is disabled. But the point is, as someone raised earlier, that so much of the system is not, and probably never will be, fully wheelchair accesible due to funding and construction issues. There are so few stations that are actually accessible! For the sake of 0.01% of the travelling public, 99.99 %are disadvantaged by having seating space removed. How is this fair?

People would soon get annoyed if lanes on roada were reserved for electric wheelchair users.

I work in education where so called "inclusion" policies exclude the vast majority of pupils. Not fair.

But it does not disadvantage anyone - you will still be able to use folding seats to sit there. And if only few stations are accessible then the solution is to increase this number - not to banish handicapped from the Tube!

Despite slow progress, more and more stations will be accessible reasonably soon - King's Cross St Pancras lifts just opened (with Northern line part opening next year), Green Park lifts will be open by 2012, and with Crossrail a whole bunch of Central London stations will be step free (Paddington, Bond Street, TCR, Farringdon, Barbican, Moorgate, Liverpool Street, Whitechapel). Not sure what will happen with Baker Street, but I heard that at least the sub-surface part will get lifts by 2012.

It comforts me that in 30-40 years, when I will be old and frail (hopefully not earlier!) it will be much easier for me to travel.


Same direction only.

Also, I just remembered that there is a step free interchange between Jubilee and Piccadilly at Green Park.


If we want wheelchair users to lead normal life with commute to work and shopping - it won't.


My fault, sorry! For some reason I thought of this forum as de facto boys' club (probably after seeing the demographics at various tube/rail events).

Yes, you're right, well that opens up more transport options! Didn't know there was step free access at Green Park?

I do wonder sometimes why people get hung up about the space being provided for wheelchairs. Once the space is introduced, it benefits considerably more than the 0.01% claimed above. You only have to look at the number of pushchairs in the 'wheelchair' space on buses to see that there are many advantages to not filling every available spot with seats.

The new level access slopes in the middle of the Victoria line platforms benefit many people who may find it hard to step up into the train, especially with pushchairs or luggage. If the 1992 stock has some seats removed, I for one, hope that they don't even put tip up seats in at those spots but at most the Jubilee line style pads to rest against. The Northern line tip up seats make the doorways too cramped when they are used.

[quote author=diana board=thecentralline thread=11166 post=220516 time=1259921642The same is true of bus ramps. I have never, ever, seen one being used by a wheelchair user.[/quote]I saw one the only time i was on a bendy, and it makes a hellofasound when taking the ramp out/in. I thought it was normal with wheelchair users

Actually it would be a good idea to introduce more wheelchair spaces. More space to stand which means less crowding.

The LNWR/LER joint stock was worse!

wasn't thr 1938 stock just under-specified for the amount of use experienced - which was a lot more than the use the line and system were experiencing when the stock was being designed? Indeed LU looked into converting them to double-door layouts, and it was only the cost of the conversion that sealed their fate, not the quality of the build.

As for disabled use, I've travelled extensively around London these past 3 days and seen diabled spaces on buses used by two wheelchair users (1 on the bendy that runs from New Cross to Elephant and Castle) and countless pushchairs, several items of bulky luggage and a guide dog.

people often seem to see the 92 stock and just judge them by the interior
apart from the 2009 stock which isn't really in full service anyway the 92's probably have the best accelerating and braking characteristics of any train on the system at the moment

To be honest, the buggies should really be folded up anyway. As indeed, the used to be. It's only within recent years that it became fashionable to leave these juniour armoured-personell carrers unfolded and blocking up vast tracts of space.