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Post by andypurk on Sept 21, 2009 19:57:13 GMT
In that case, we'd still be waiting for them to be introduced to the North London line, as there is still plenty of work to be done in platform lengthening before 4 car units can run. They could have taken the opportunity to lengthen the platforms during the umpteen line-closures there've been. But that would have deprived us of the pleasure of further umpteen line closures to look forward to.  But the 4 car units wern't planned until the most recent closures. The weekend closures at the moment include the necessary works at Willesden Junction High Level as well are the completely new platforms needed from Camden Road - Dalston (as the northern pair of tracks currently only has a single platform at Highbury and Islington and none at the other intermediate stations). I do agree that the platforms between Gospel Oak and Willesden should have been lengthened during the last closure of Hampstead Heath tunnel though  |
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Post by dazz285 on Sept 21, 2009 19:57:53 GMT
27 July-12 Aug 2012 ;-)
2012 Olympic Games.
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Post by andypurk on Sept 21, 2009 20:08:59 GMT
Now how did I know that this talk of platform lenghts would kick off ;-0 When TfL placed the order in Aug 2006, www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/archive/3534.aspxNetwork Rail should have started planning for 4 cars and not play the waiting game... 3 years down the line and STILL no platform extensions and STILL no FULL 378 fleet running... But when TfL ordered the trains, the extra carriage was only an option and whilst Network Rail are not entirely without fault, in the current system someone has to pay for these enhancement works. I can remember reading about the various track rebuild options at the same time as the 378 order, but look how long it took to get funding for the Camden Road - Dalston section including the fight between DfT and TfL over how many tracks Camden Road station would have and who would pay what. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2009 21:20:33 GMT
sorry to say this but I think it is a bit ridiculus we had that closure last year for two months and most of the line shut on sunday it does make getting around a complete nightmare will these closures ever end |
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Post by londoner on Sept 22, 2009 7:06:29 GMT
sorry to say this but I think it is a bit ridiculus we had that closure last year for two months and most of the line shut on sunday it does make getting around a complete nightmare will these closures ever end not to mention more expensive, as people will be forced to travel through london instead of around it! Will there still be trains running in to gospel oak or do they stop at Hampstead Heath, as i know a lot of the schools in the gospel oak area make up most of the traffic that comes through GO on school-days! |
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Post by andypurk on Sept 22, 2009 10:01:09 GMT
Will there still be trains running in to gospel oak or do they stop at Hampstead Heath, as i know a lot of the schools in the gospel oak area make up most of the traffic that comes through GO on school-days! Trains should still be running to Gospel Oak, as the closure is for the rebuild of the line between Camden and Dalston. Gospel Oak is the furthest east that trains can reverse (if they can't use Camden Road), there is a trailing crossover at the junction with the Barking line to the west of the station. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2009 15:54:56 GMT
Sorry to say it, but the blockade has been postponed. There will still be no NLL between Christmas and New Year, but the 16 week blockade will now start in February |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2009 19:17:05 GMT
Sorry to say it, but the blockade has been postponed. There will still be no NLL between Christmas and New Year, but the 16 week blockade will now start in February Will that be the last such blockade? Or will there (as I suspect) be yet further ones announced barely weeks after this one ends - if even as late as that? |
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Post by londoner on Sept 24, 2009 20:56:24 GMT
dont see a reason for it, they have nothing major to improve after 4 car trains!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2009 22:07:39 GMT
There will be future blockades. Remember that Camden is going to be remodelled in the future. It was originally going to be part of the blockade next year, but it isn't now
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Post by andypurk on Sept 24, 2009 23:20:03 GMT
There will be future blockades. Remember that Camden is going to be remodelled in the future. It was originally going to be part of the blockade next year, but it isn't now Although the additional work at Camden (basically reinstating the northern pair of tracks through Camden Road station and over the bridges to the east) can happen without a lengthy blockade as none of the trackbed is currently used. The blockade early next year is much more complex, involving the final move of the NLL tracks to the northern side, giving space for the ELL to extend to Highbury & Islington. The preliminary work for this has been going on for months and you can see some quite deep foundation work going on, where the northern AC electrified track(s) used to be. Freight over this section has been diesel hauled for a long time, due to the lack of overhead. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2009 18:09:52 GMT
WN Bits today
Class 86401 "Northampton Town" in front of a 313 on the Road next to the WCML in the Shed
#15 was on today's 09:10 CLJ-SRA
#5 next to the Shed
508303 next to CARGO-D Mark 3 set
#14 sitting outside
#13 sitting outside
UID 378 inside the Shed (next to DC lines) *it had some sort of text on the Destination Screen, but I couldn't make it out*
#18 operating 15:07 2N77 SRA-RMD
I heard there was a 378 running on Passenger service on the DC lines
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Post by suncloud on Sept 25, 2009 22:26:18 GMT
I heard there was a 378 running on Passenger service on the DC lines Saw one heading north this afternoon... |
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Post by ghostofjk on Sept 25, 2009 23:42:59 GMT
I heard there was a 378 running on Passenger service on the DC lines Indeed there was - I caught it from Watford to Willesden at about 3:40pm. As it happened, the schools had just tipped out and hoards of kids got on at various stops. The seating arrangements made it all much less cramped than on a 313, and the train seemed to go down very well with the kids, who were more voluble and excited than any adults I've seen on the new trains. Some even applauded as it came into the platform! Some made the comparison with Underground trains, and one even noted "there's no carriages!" - he meant they could walk the length of the train without interruption. One downside: kids are prone to lifting themselves up and swinging on the grab-handles. They really do need to be removed! I took three Overground trains today (perhaps the last time before I move to a new home, much less near the Overground network), and as it happened all were 378s. It was lovely not to have to contend with grubby creaking old units! |
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Post by suncloud on Sept 26, 2009 8:55:19 GMT
I heard there was a 378 running on Passenger service on the DC lines Indeed there was - I caught it from Watford to Willesden at about 3:40pm. Sounds like the one I saw heading that way about 3pm |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2009 19:12:06 GMT
Indeed there was - I caught it from Watford to Willesden at about 3:40pm. Sounds like the one I saw heading that way about 3pm I would be rather interested if this was operated in Driver Only Mode or using a Manager as a Guard. Guards do not sign this route, but i am aware that Managers were being trained as Guards as these trains have issues with the DOO equipment. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. |
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Post by ghostofjk on Sept 26, 2009 21:02:34 GMT
I would be rather interested if this was operated in Driver Only Mode or using a Manager as a Guard. Guards do not sign this route, but i am aware that Managers were being trained as Guards as these trains have issues with the DOO equipment. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. I can't quite help - it wasn't clear if there was anyone acting as a guard. However, the train had numerous engineers on board, and various combinations of people in the cab at various times in the journey, so however it was operating, it probably wasn't "normal" when compared to how they will run routinely in service. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 10:55:52 GMT
There's two more movements in the horizon, but this time not to WN Land which is stuffed full of 378s, the CARGO-D Mk3 set, 86401, that Euroscout device,a pair of 508s and the faithful 313s.
29/09 5X78 to New Cross Gate (reverses in the lower level platforms at London Bridge)
02/10 5X78 to Ashford Chart Leacon, more likely to be a 378/1
28/09- testing of 378137 begins between Redhill and Ashford at about 7pm
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Post by 21146 on Sept 27, 2009 19:52:29 GMT
Riding on 378 013 (complete with all-female crew) on the WLL today during a disgraceful hourly service made me realise how dingy these units are inside. Firstly the articulated bit is a part of the train without windows (obviously), then the centre section exterior LED destination indicator takes out the top section of those windows, whilst the ones in the door pockets are small and too low to see out of when standing (as I had too as of course there were no vacant seats!).
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Post by happybunny on Sept 28, 2009 3:34:11 GMT
After changing from a SWT at Clapham straight onto a new 378 you realise just how uncomfortable and hard the seats are (on the 378)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 20:21:37 GMT
#4 is being taken to New X Gate today, its still a misformed 4 car set
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2009 23:32:06 GMT
After changing from a SWT at Clapham straight onto a new 378 you realise just how uncomfortable and hard the seats are (on the 378) Perhaps you would like to be a Conductor on one, when he/she has to stand all the time as no seats are provided for them, and not only stand but stand in safety footwear that wheighs as much as the train. |
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Post by happybunny on Sept 29, 2009 3:26:35 GMT
After changing from a SWT at Clapham straight onto a new 378 you realise just how uncomfortable and hard the seats are (on the 378) Perhaps you would like to be a Conductor on one, when he/she has to stand all the time as no seats are provided for them, and not only stand but stand in safety footwear that wheighs as much as the train. Can't you go to the back cab? If there is a passenger seat available are you allowed to sit on them between stations if you are doing duties from the main saloon area? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 10:22:47 GMT
The only time a Conductor is allowed in the rear cab is during the peak periods when the trains are so packed and you physically cant do your duties from inside the train.
If there is a seat available it is not to be used by the member staff working the train as it appears unprofessional. We are subject to discipline if we work from the rear cab without a proper reason.
I hope this helps.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 29, 2009 11:34:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 13:27:26 GMT
The only time a Conductor is allowed in the rear cab is during the peak periods when the trains are so packed and you physically cant do your duties from inside the train. If there is a seat available it is not to be used by the member staff working the train as it appears unprofessional. We are subject to discipline if we work from the rear cab without a proper reason. I hope this helps. What!!!  That's well over the top.......that sounds completely out of order. I hope LO see sense and change that soon, to me it doesn't seem safe for staff. Still shocked to read that.........  |
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Post by happybunny on Sept 29, 2009 14:08:44 GMT
The only time a Conductor is allowed in the rear cab is during the peak periods when the trains are so packed and you physically cant do your duties from inside the train. If there is a seat available it is not to be used by the member staff working the train as it appears unprofessional. We are subject to discipline if we work from the rear cab without a proper reason. I hope this helps. That is appalling , so you are supposed to stand on your feet for the whole length of your duty basically ?? If that were me I would be screwing the train down and taking PnR's due to health and safety reasons (i.e. cramp), that is absolutely diabolical, what do the unions say about this ?? Other TOC's don't seem to have a problem with the guard doing the doors from the back/middle cabs.. and I know on some, trains have been built with a little 'booth' (kind of like a LU GLAP) in the passenger saloon where the guard can sit down, do announcements, etc.. in-between his door duties !! Geesh I'm surprised there hasn't been a strike over this ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 14:54:17 GMT
Geesh I'm surprised there hasn't been a strike over this ! Same here, that is disgusting. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2009 14:59:44 GMT
I'm confused here. Are there door controls in the cars of these trains as well as the cabs?
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Post by happybunny on Sept 29, 2009 15:21:03 GMT
Yes Jim
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That's well over the top.......that sounds completely out of order. I hope LO see sense and change that soon, to me it doesn't seem safe for staff. Still shocked to read that......... 
