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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 9:25:05 GMT
When was the last time a new underground station was built on an existing line? This question came to me when discussing lack of interchange stations between Overgound and the Northern Line. Has there ever been a station dug out and built on an existing underground line?
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Post by suncloud on Feb 21, 2009 9:48:48 GMT
Immediate thought is Holborn (Central)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 10:48:05 GMT
Pimlico (Victoria Line) and Canada Water (East London Line) spring to mind.
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Post by Ben on Feb 21, 2009 13:10:56 GMT
Think a thread drifted onto this topic a while back. LUL said Wood Lane was the first station opened on an existing line for 70 years or something.
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Post by maxtube on Feb 21, 2009 13:18:23 GMT
Indeed, it is Wood Lane.
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 21, 2009 13:52:02 GMT
Pimlico (Victoria Line) and Canada Water (East London Line) spring to mind. Pimlico was being built when (not after) the Brixton Extension opened - the operating notices of the time instructed the T/Ops to non-stop. I think you're right with Canada Water (as I guess you consider underground with a small 'u' to mean 'beneath the surface'; rather than referring to the network UndergrounD. Wood Lane, whilst a new station on the underground network is largely cut-and-cover, so not a new station underground. |
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Post by gantshill on Feb 21, 2009 14:06:21 GMT
The King's Cross Met 1941 platforms? They were at least built underground, even if subsurface rather than proper tubes.
According to various books, the 1967 Tower Hill station was rebuilt on the site of the short-lived Metropolitan Railway station, so probably does not count.
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Post by Ben on Feb 21, 2009 15:08:00 GMT
If after crossrail and Chelney, capacity is sufficiently reduced on the central line east of Liverpool Street it will be interesting to see if one or two new stations spring up. Shoreditch High Street has been mentioned by many, DLR also said something about an interchange station at Temple Mills at one point. And from a passenger perspective, a station at Pudding Mill Lane for the olympic venue would be very useful. Pity there isnt enough time or money, and the ground conditions are so poor.
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Post by slugabed on Feb 21, 2009 18:20:35 GMT
And Aldgate East......there's a long description in "Reconstructing London's Underground"
And Wood Lane is on a viaduct,so I don't know if this really counts at all as underground?
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 21, 2009 19:22:34 GMT
Yeah - looking at the photos in Follenfant, the girders are labelled to make sure that the giders are the right way round- and people took the rise out of labelling the W&C cars when they were lowered into the hole last time.
Shows that there's nothing new under the sun!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 19:47:41 GMT
I did mean underground with a small u. Also not cut and cover
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Post by slugabed on Feb 21, 2009 22:33:29 GMT
I did mean underground with a small u. Also not cut and cover Under ground but not UndergrounD,as it were,are the new Thameslink platforms at St.Pancras International....were they built cut-and-cover? They just seemed to "appear" from one journey to the next,then took ages to fit out. The best bet for the strictest definition-new platforms on new site serving deep level tube lines under ground-are the Central Line platforms at Holborn. Widen the definition,and more and more candidates emerge. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 21, 2009 23:42:42 GMT
Going sideways with that thought, Holborn was a replacement underground station, it didnt serve any 'new' areas on the central. Has there actually been an underground station built after the section it occupied opened that served a completely new market?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 8:52:07 GMT
Not that I can think of in London, but in Birkenhead there was a new station opened on Merseyrail's underground network around 10 years ago - I believe they opened out the tunnel to let daylight in.
Argyle Street on the Glasgow Central low level line was new when they rebuilt and reopened the line in the 1970s. However Glasgow Cross station didn't reopen, and only being around a quarter mile away you could consider this more as a resiting.
There has been talk of a new Blythswood Square station being added on the Glasgow Queen Street low level line, between QS and Charing Cross which would be a major engineering project and meet the criteria of the question.
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 22, 2009 11:02:47 GMT
Partick vs. Merkland Street on the Clockwork Orange?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 13:11:30 GMT
In Liverpool (Birkenhead!), it was Conway Park which opened on 22.06.98. It is between Hamilton Square and Birkenhead Park and indeed you can see daylight above.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 13:15:48 GMT
Would Liverpool South Parkway possibly qualify, which replaced Allerton and Garston (the Northern Line platforms at Garston were closed when the new station opened). Although not in any way underground, it is on a route which does go 'underground'. Liverpool South Parkway opened on 11.06.2006.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2009 16:31:35 GMT
if you argue Pilmco is to be inculded wouldn't Westminster count on the JLE?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Feb 22, 2009 20:28:27 GMT
Even Holborn wasn't completely new, as the entrance was (and is) shared with the existing Central Line station.
Canada Water was a completely new station, inserted into an existing subsurface section of line. Kings X Met (1941) might count, although it used an existing tunnel.
New platforms have been excavated underrground on existing lines as part of the Victoria Line project at Finsbury Park, Highbury & Islington, Euston, and Oxford Circus, and more recently on the Northern Line at Angel.
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 22, 2009 20:39:56 GMT
Even Holborn wasn't completely new, as the entrance was (and is) shared with the existing Central Line station. Canada Water was a completely new station, inserted into an existing subsurface section of line. Kings X Met (1941) might count, although it used an existing tunnel. But Kings Cross Met isn't a completely seperate station, it joins on to the station for the other lines, like the Central at Holborn. Canada Water was built as part of the Jubilee line extension, so it wasn't built only around existing lines. |
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Post by slugabed on Feb 22, 2009 21:57:31 GMT
New platforms have been excavated underrground on existing lines as part of the Victoria Line project at Finsbury Park, Highbury & Islington, Euston, and Oxford Circus, and more recently on the Northern Line at Angel. Sorry to be a nit-picker,but no new platforms were built at Finsbury Park as part of the Victoria Line project. IIRC (if I am wrong,let me know!) Euston (Northern) and Angel both had one extra platform built,and this enabled an island platform to be widened. At Euston,King's X and Oxford Circus,the Victoria Line platforms were built alongside (by then) existing platforms to provide a cross-platform interchange,and at H&I a new platform pair was provided alongside the old GN&C station,and the tunnels diverted to create a NNSS arrangment for cross-patform interchange. I still think there was no entirely new tube station built around the running tunnels of an existing tube line at deep level.This is how I understand the original question. The closest we'll get is the building of the Central Line platforms at Holborn,which had an escalator connection to an existing (Piccadilly Line) surface building,via a halflanding,enabling the closure of the Central Line British Museum station. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 22, 2009 22:51:06 GMT
Deep Level, underground, new station on existing line: I think after some headscratching and using my google-fu that the following might cover an answer to your question Teatralna, between Universytet and Khreshchatyk stations. Click (not Gants Hill)!! and Click (not Angel)Where/What? Teatralna is a station on the Sviatoshynsko-Brovarska line of the Kiev Metro, opened on 7/11/87 (as Leninska) and the rest of the line had opened on 6/11/60. I got sidelined with Tezozomoc/Azcapotzalco stations which didn't quite fit the bill. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 22, 2009 23:01:20 GMT
Amazing pictures, and what an imposing escalator bank.
So, if LUL were to open a station on the central line at Shoreditch High Street, it would technically be a first for Europe?
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Post by slugabed on Feb 23, 2009 0:21:15 GMT
Amazing pictures, and what an imposing escalator bank. So, if LUL were to open a station on the central line at Shoreditch High Street, it would technically be a first for Europe? Hmmm,yes.....But then someone on this thread would point out that Shoreditch High St. would be,by then,an "existing station" (as "existing" as Holborn Picc was) and so still not fit the bill!!! But what great pictures! You can see the family resemblance with Gant's Hill.....didn't the Soviets come and have a shufti at the Nw Works Programme? And is Kiev in Europe (honest question)? |
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Post by Ben on Feb 23, 2009 0:37:23 GMT
Damn! Erm.....somebody make a business case for Harringey St. Anne's!
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Post by Phil on Feb 23, 2009 11:04:35 GMT
When was the last time a new underground station was built on an existing line? This question came to me when discussing lack of interchange stations between Overgound and the Northern Line. Has there ever been a station dug out and built on an existing underground line? Does Heathrow terminal 5 count or is it outside your strict definition? |
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Post by Oracle on Feb 23, 2009 11:09:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2009 12:51:34 GMT
Heathrow T5 station was built on a new (piece of) line, so would not count.
Kiev (and all of Ukraine) is in Europe.
Methinks this question turns on the definitions of 'underground', 'station' and 'new'...
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Post by miztert on Feb 23, 2009 14:46:49 GMT
[...] Wood Lane, whilst a new station on the underground network is largely cut-and-cover, so not a new station underground. Wood Lane is on a viaduct up in the air - not much cut-and-cover about it! (slugabed already pointed this out but I think it's worth emphasising anyway.) if you argue Pimlco is to be included wouldn't Westminster count on the JLE? Not really, as Westminster station existed already, though the deep-level Jubilee bit was brand new (and the rest of the station got a comprehensive rebuild too of course). But I wouldn't count Pimlico anyway. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 23, 2009 14:57:38 GMT
[...] Wood Lane, whilst a new station on the underground network is largely cut-and-cover, so not a new station underground. Wood Lane is on a viaduct up in the air - not much cut-and-cover about it! (slugabed already pointed this out but I think it's worth emphasising anyway.) Er.... I *meant* White City...  ;D (but I was also thinking about Wood Lane (Ealing Extension platforms) being out of the question on the CENTRAL [1]) [1] gratuitous over-emphasis.  ;D ;D |
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