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Post by slugabed on Feb 23, 2009 15:45:54 GMT
Methinks this question turns on the definitions of 'underground', 'station' and 'new'... Quite! For the purposes of the question I have assumed that: "Underground" means a deep-level tunnel,in London. "Station" means a complete,discrete stopping-place,open to passenger traffic. "New" means not part of,or linked to,any other station on any (other) line. SO.....What would count would be where a deep-level running tunnel were expanded to make a station,complete with its own, separate,surface entrance(s). If,later,another line made interchange,that would not affect the station's status retrospectively. Of course,the fun starts when everyone else makes their own,slightly different assumptions,then proceed to argue with one another!! |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 23, 2009 22:08:23 GMT
If the new station were built as an interchange with, and at the same time as, a new line would that count?  In this diagram, the black and grey lines are existing deep-level lines, the pink line is a new line. The dark red blobs are existing stations on existing lines - these do not count. The bright red blobs are new stations on a new line - these do not count. The orange blob is an existing station on the grey line that has new platforms added on the pink line when the latter is built - this does not count The light blue blob is a new station on the existing black line - this does count. The green blob is a new station on the existing black line built at the same time as the new pink line - does this count or not? Does it matter whether the pink line is a deep tube, cut-and-cover or surface line? |
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Post by slugabed on Feb 23, 2009 22:49:33 GMT
Yes it does.It doesn't matter if the pink line is deep-level,or not.
But,I hear you say,this is almost analagous to Canada Water.
I say almost,because the ELL is a sub-surface line.
For the sake of answering the question,I have assumed that it DOES matter whether and which of each line is deep-level or otherwise.The original questioner,Somersetchris specified that new platforms on existing cut-and-cover don't count.
The green station counts,whether the pink line is there or not,as long as the pink line arrives coincidentally with,or subsequent to,the opening of the green platforms on the black line(!!!).
Using my rubric,this,therefore,and the light blue station you mentioned,fit the bill.
There are,I suspect,no stations on the actual LT network which fit the bill.......?
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Post by mrfs42 on Feb 23, 2009 23:37:08 GMT
I think I win - if foreign places are allowed ;D (but it's up to somersetchris as he originally asked the question).
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Post by Dmitri on Feb 24, 2009 8:20:57 GMT
For the record, in 1979, a new station ('Gorkovskaya', now 'Tverskaya') was inserted into the 'green' line between 'Mayakovskaya' and 'Teatralnaya' stations (opened in 1938) without interrupting the service. Station is 42 m. deep. Entire affair cost a small fortune, though  . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 22:35:04 GMT
Ok, it seems as though I started something and what a great thread this is. Thanks to all that contributed. Hopefully it is not finished yet.
Anyway, this question started on another Forum because someone was moaning about the walk from Kentish Town to Kentish Town West. That person wanted to know why there was not interchanges between the Northern and the NLL/GOBLIN (bl**dy Victorians!). This got me thinking about making an interchange where the Northern and the NLL crossed. This would mean making a new station on a deep level tube tunnel. I tried to think of a station that might have been built from scratch on an existing deep level line and could not think of one. So that is why I am here.
Thanks to mrfs42 for the pictures. Fantastic
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Post by Dmitri on Feb 26, 2009 10:36:26 GMT
That person wanted to know why there was not interchanges between the Northern and the NLL/GOBLIN 'Cause no one could be bothered to build them  . This would mean making a new station on a deep level tube tunnel. I tried to think of a station that might have been built from scratch on an existing deep level line and could not think of one. Whilst it is possible, it is difficult, costly and requires tunnels to have profile suitable for the station (I don't think you can build a station on the steep incline). In Moscow, there is a plan to build a station on the Line 3 ('dark blue') between 'Ploschad revoliutsii' and 'Kurskaya' stations to create an interchange with the Line 6 ('orange') and 7 ('purple') at 'Kitay-gorod'. To facilitate that, a 160-m stretch of the tunnel was built suitable for the station (straight and level, with required distance between tunnels). Unfortunately, it would never happen due to the cost, although high demand is guaranteed. |
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Post by Chris M on Feb 26, 2009 11:48:19 GMT
This got me thinking about making an interchange where the Northern and the NLL crossed. Similarly I've wondered about a station where the NLL and Piccadilly cross, a short distance west of Cally Road and Barnsbury and a short distance north of the former York Road station. Presumably it would require the former to be closed or moved (depending on your POV). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 18:08:04 GMT
So would Maiden Lane to York Road be closer than Callaedonian Road and Barnsbury to Callaedonian Road?
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Post by slugabed on Feb 26, 2009 20:14:30 GMT
So would Maiden Lane to York Road be closer than Callaedonian Road and Barnsbury to Callaedonian Road? There can't be much in it,but at a push I would say that York Rd/Maiden Lane is marginally closer than between the Caledonian Roads.But the latter have the advantage of both stations being open to traffic. Interestingly,Caledonian Rd & Barnsbury station used to be on the West side of the road,ie much closer to the Picc than now. You can still see a little bit of the old station building. Does anyone know the latest with the scheme to (re-)open the station at Maiden Lane? I know the local council are in favour,and it was rumoured that the developers of the railway land site were to stump up the money.Was LO for,or against? But either way,both York Rd and Maiden Lane at present seem to have as many local residents in the vicinity as Blake Hall did!! |
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