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Post by Jerome H on Jun 19, 2016 4:08:53 GMT
The irony there being this thread is in a folder called "Jubille Line"
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 18, 2016 16:58:33 GMT
There are also many ways to protect the OLHE equipment, however there is a strong ethical arguement whether you protect the equipment or you protect the train
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 17, 2016 19:39:41 GMT
A little side story.
A few days ago I found a whiteboard marker and wanted to test it, so I circled a random tube station on my framed tube Map and wrote no service. That station was ealing broadway, which is a bit spooky considering a lot of the articles say commuters were directed to Ealing Broadway, and told trains weren't running from there.
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 17, 2016 14:35:48 GMT
Do LU run special services for events such as Wembley? I'd imagine brining a few extra trains in empty at that hour wouldn't cause havoc on the system.
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 17, 2016 13:41:18 GMT
Is there a ventilation shaft somewhere in that section? That's all I can think of.
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 15, 2016 11:40:27 GMT
The only line I've covered almost entirely is the Picc. After leaving London at age 10: I've never been north of Baker Street or east of Liv Street on the Met North of Euston/Kings Cross or South of Clapham Common on the Northen, North of Finsbury Park/South of Victoria on the Vic, West of Earls Court, East of Monument on the District West of Wood Lane or East of Mile End on the H&C West of White City or East of Stratford on the Central East of Canary Wharf on the Jubilee Anywhere on the Bakerloo North of Waterloo On the Waterloo and City Between Uxbridge and Rayner Lane
In other words, I really haven't gone anywhere. I'm mostly informed via everyone else's post here and videos on YouTube and photos on Flickr
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 14, 2016 22:16:12 GMT
I got 18/20, missing Amersham and Clapham Common.
If TfL would abolish zones, so I could get full marks, that'd be great...
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 13, 2016 19:16:41 GMT
I'll admit the first time I watched it, I didn't understand what was so special about it, it didn't click at all how strange it is that all but twenty minutes ago that train was deep under Oxford street.
Fantastic catch
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 8, 2016 16:35:20 GMT
As a note about South Ferry, the station has since been rebuilt, straightening the platforms and removing the loop. The original South Ferry is still in use, temporarily, while the 'new' station opened 16 March 2009, is repaired following substantial damage from Hurricane Sandy. Something did seem odd about the 2014 date of that video. I thought it had reopened but I was wrong
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 8, 2016 16:06:44 GMT
As a note about South Ferry, the station has since been rebuilt, straightening the platforms and removing the loop.
What confuses me is that for London Undergorund, the system and stock were specifically built for one purpose. As new stations and lines have been built and new stocked rolled out, why are there such differences, especially in the core. Ignoring platforms that share track with multiple trains, why weren't trains designed for the platforms or platforms designed for the trains?
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 7, 2016 22:04:08 GMT
So I was trying to explain this debate to my Grandma and she couldn't quite understand all the fuss. For all of us on this forum, it's easy for us to see how this is all different, but for a London commuter, or a visitor to London, will the branding make a difference? Sure you can argue that the expectations will be what they are famialr with, which may cause people to be let down. Because we are so much more aware of the differences that most people won't notice, even something like the color of the trains, we want everything to be spelled out. I'm not happy with it not being a part of a different system, but it won't change a whole lot of it does.
As an anecdote, I rode London Overground for the first time this year. After riding the Tube Lines, I expected the trains to match the frequency, but was surprised to wait 15 minutes for a train. After one instance I know what I need to in order to make a difference and to plan around using those trains. Even if you call it a different service and all that, passengers won't make a connection on the important differences until they attempt to use the service. The passengers from Maidenhead, Slough, and Romford will know what they need to use the service and won't really be bothered by pedantics, especially since their trains have been recolored and rebranded every couple of years on the Anglia routes
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 4, 2016 12:24:52 GMT
flic.kr/p/HHFPtMI believe the hoarded off passageway is visible only on the left (although do correct me if I'm wrong)
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Post by Jerome H on Jun 2, 2016 1:10:01 GMT
I got all excited because I thought I'd noticed something new, which was that Heathrow 123 now said Heathrow 23, but then I looked at an old map and realized how late I was (oh the joys over being an overseas enthusiast)
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Post by Jerome H on May 31, 2016 1:27:25 GMT
Looking at the sleepers on A, it looks like the East London Line. Could it be Dalston Junction?
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Post by Jerome H on May 31, 2016 0:06:01 GMT
Would C be Heathrow 1 2 3?
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Post by Jerome H on May 29, 2016 21:45:22 GMT
I'd imagine it's because they're used to the system with the passengers they'll have on the overnight service. They cannot predict how the infrastructure will react to that much pressure at once without a relief
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Post by Jerome H on May 24, 2016 18:21:19 GMT
prob simllar when engineering works - there should be a tape arcoss to close off the areas where island plaftorms impossible to close off part of it I suppose it depends on the nature of the engineering works. I mean, if you've got grinders going with sparks flying every which way the only thing that would be effective is a solid barrier. If it's just refilling flange greasers, fluffing, changing posters etc. then it wouldn't matter if someone wandered in there by accident - apart from the whole culpability aspect etc. And then you've got the engineers actually going to and from their work area - they'd often have to use public areas. Hmm. Interesting times. We do live in a time where engineering boundaries are very much political/legal. Since engineering sites are turned over to the contractor, and all the measures in place for protection, "closing off the site" will be something to watch. I'd bet that someone will make the argument that they can't work on the tracks because of a danger to the public, not matter how small or servere the issue. I worry how the tube will cope with a 60+ hour live run. Will more emergency works appear during the day or will some nights see severe delays to fix an issue that could be worse.
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Post by Jerome H on May 24, 2016 11:40:05 GMT
Scissor barriers at Mile End? What would they do to rush hour flows? They'd only be temporary, deployed for the overnights, since it's presumed that the District Part of the island platforms needs to be closed off some how. Just an idea really. Would most of the station staff who took the night tube job have been full time?
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Post by Jerome H on May 24, 2016 1:19:25 GMT
They use miles of red and white tape at Mile End when one or the other is shut for engineering works. If that's the every weekend solution I hope the tape is either dirt cheap or reusable. Is it all that important to close off an island platform for the night tube? It would benefit any overnight engineering works, but it doesn't impede the service. If they do plan on closing the other platforms, I hope they go for a more permanent option, like a scissor barrier or something thats better than red and white tape
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Post by Jerome H on May 22, 2016 2:10:58 GMT
Tottenham Court Road for the Main
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Post by Jerome H on May 21, 2016 22:37:25 GMT
So just to be clear, prior to any of the works Wathamstow Vicc had 3 entrances, one to the bus station and one each to the now Overground platforms. The Undergound had a Gateline, but the upper level did not, meaning fare evasion was a bit more possible.
Work was done to cage the Chingford side of the tunnel and relocate the entrance of the Liv side to be outside the station. This must have been just as much an inconvenience for AGA customers trying to get to the other platform from an entrance as tube customers.. Now all of that work is being undone as three new gatelines are to be introduced, one outside each of the NR entrances. And the subway under NR becoming fare-only. Is that right?
Does this mean the station is no longer separated by LU/LO, or is the Chingford entrance still part divided?
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Post by Jerome H on May 21, 2016 1:22:43 GMT
Does anyone have any photos for reference, I'm not familiar with the area and don't quite think I googled the right things to find it
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Post by Jerome H on May 20, 2016 15:15:41 GMT
I can't believe I looked through the whole thing. Some of the percentages on comment add up to more than 100%. What's interesting is that it seems Balham and Tooting has much more support for Totting, while Ally Pally vs Wood Green seems to be split, especially from different interest groups. I need to look at a map to see how close Euston and St. Pancras are. A conjoined Euston-Kings Cross TfL complex seems like something that must be heavily designed to ease congestion and also act as a flagship station complex. I wonder how pressure might increase on the Vicc to Kings Cross as CR2 passengers might switch to the Circle/H&C or even the Picc to Aresnal for games.
What I don't understand in the Wood Green/Turnpike Lane option (as well as others that I'm not as knowledgable) is how the listed architecture would be retained. Turnpike Lane seems like it could adopt another line with less damage, but Wood Green is a very tight station. That didn't seem to be an issue for those areas, expect for English Heritage.
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Post by Jerome H on May 16, 2016 17:47:13 GMT
This is my video contribution. Both trains have Anglia branding, but have different coloured doors. Why is this? Red is a Greater Anglia refurbished train, navy carries the old National Express branding and presumably is awaiting refurbishment
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Post by Jerome H on May 15, 2016 6:45:52 GMT
ATO - Automatic Train Operator SB - Southbound NB - Northbound L/T - Late Turn The Vic line was automatic from the beginning. The ATO,s where paid more than the regular drivers on other lines with Guards. I believe (Although I stand to be corrected) When the Vic opened, The most senior drivers from other lines were offered the jobs at higher rate. As for Unions, there has always been staunch union support on LT/LUL. Thanks for the clarification, but I'm afraid I don't know what a Late Turn is.
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Post by Jerome H on May 14, 2016 11:46:43 GMT
Sadly most of the damage is irreversible. I never had a chance to check on the removal of the Leslie Green Style Ticket Windows. I know that a few on the Northern were taken off, the modern-ish ones were taken off for sure. It appears that the ticket offices which were needed most have been changed into ticket machines, and the ones that haven't were boarded over with graphics, so I also doubt refitting the spaces will b easy. Also I hope they talk to a lot of tourists rather than just commuters. After 12 years I visited my childhood station to see the boarded ticket windows. It was sad, since I remember my mum buying tickets to Oxford Circus from those very Windows. What gets me are the ticket offices that had Windows that cross the Gateline as assistance points. That said I've had no trouble pinpointing staff, but I'm sure tourists would have a different experince.
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Post by Jerome H on May 14, 2016 0:18:55 GMT
I don't really understand some of the shorthand from this post, but it reminds me of the ITV Tube episode about a strike with the London Bridge supervisor talking about not wanting to let staff go home early if they wouldn't be on strike the next day.
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Post by Jerome H on May 12, 2016 21:08:27 GMT
Interesting to see some have Crossrail roundels outside. Can't wait to see the totems at Stratford Unfortunately the ones with Crossrail roundels/signs date from 2015, before the recent renaming d̶i̶s̶a̶s̶t̶e̶r̶ exercise I gathered that. I'd be so much happier if the exterior just said TRAINS the way busses are. Everything else fits with the TfL standard, except the roundel, really. At least they can't call XRail 2 "Elizabeth Line", fixing an issue we've had with Overground lacking route identity. Do you think the platforms are big enough so that in peak afternoons people who will be waiting for their train won't crowd the platforms, as much as you can say "take the first available train"
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Post by Jerome H on May 12, 2016 20:49:16 GMT
Interesting to see some have Crossrail roundels outside. Can't wait to see the totems at Stratford
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Post by Jerome H on May 12, 2016 18:50:27 GMT
This brand-name business is understandable in a cut-throat capitalist economy; but how does it fit-in with urban transport run by one operator? Was it really better when you had to book with a different operator to go the other way round the Inner Circle? Is it important for a traveller to know the brand name of the engineering company which bored the tube? Why does it matter which line you take from Tottenham Court Rd., as long as you get to Ealing? The point is this: You can take the Central line or the Elizabeth line; either will do. Unless, that is, someone has decided to complicate things, and used 'branding' to erect purposeless barriers to travel, leading to such circumlocutions as: 'You can take the Tube to Ealing, or you can go via Crossrail (tm)', as if they are somehow different modes of transport, like 'taking the bus', or 'calling a cab'. We don't need it. And we don't need 'Thameslink', either. 'The Thames line' is quite succinct, and gets the message over nicely. The only reason differentiation is important is for service times. Elizabeth would be a faster journey. But I also think Tube no longer only means Underground.
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