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Post by cooperman on Jan 17, 2012 1:14:54 GMT
Maybe not as comfy as the A-stock, but I don't the seats are bad. Might be different travelling from Amersham to Aldgate though lol. I can safely say the 'S' stock is rubbish traveling up the North end of the Met. Narrow seats, food smells from other passengers. The Psycho passenger element ( Free to roam the entire train without any address ). Oh.. and no escape from the for mentioned yob culture. Yet again designed by someone who doesn't have a clue of the requirements of the Commuter. HTH Coops
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Post by cooperman on Dec 31, 2011 18:07:12 GMT
superteacher / graeme186
To be fair, it was the Christmas T/T. Maybe they will feel differently, and embrace the new T/T when it's running properly. I have to say that nobody got on the train at Wembley NB that day ( 1740 pm on the 29th of December) . In time the penny will drop . At least some Commuters have benefited from this T/T . Happy new Year Folks ...... ;D
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Post by cooperman on Dec 30, 2011 18:42:36 GMT
I had a little chuckle to my self yesterday . A couple of passengers (Northwood) were moaning about the new T/T. They wished they had the old T/T, Quoting " At least we could get a seat". The only people this T/T benefits, are the people of Wembley. If you live north of Wembley, then your local MP has scored an Own Goal. ;D
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Post by cooperman on Dec 28, 2011 20:59:16 GMT
One for the lawyers (and bengley) here. If the advert was for a Saturday timetable, then no peak vs off-peak, times or fares etc.etc.,(just a weekday with less trains) , but if the advert was for a Saturday SERVICE it includes all the restrictions and benefits of a Saturday service and peak fares cannot be charged (legally). At least, that's the legal position down here - a Saturday SERVICE is being run all week and all terms and conditions are those for a Saturday including no peak fares, and Senior Citizens cards all day. Depending on the EXACT wording of the advert bengley may well have a claim for a refund of the excess fare charged. From the TfL festive services leaflet: bengley You have fallen into my trap i'm afraid. I used to enjoy a Fast service at the Weekend ( Off peak or On it was a Fast service). This has been taken away , as it's now a sorry excuse for a Weekend service. This was decided by someone who has no clear understanding of the needs of the Commuter who works the Christmas Week. God helps us. ETA : Making every train an "All Stations " from Baker Street will not help anyone who wants to go to the top end of the Met . We have only 2 TPH . Its not Rocket Science , is it. ?
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Post by cooperman on Dec 13, 2011 18:42:54 GMT
Hmmm.... I've seem to upset a few people on here. The point i was trying to make was , being a Moderator you should be Neutral in your views. This can be hard i know!. MetControl please accept my apologies if you thought i was being personal , it's just a very Bitter pill to swallow when you've had such a Great service in the past. As i have said before , you Sir do a sterling job with the tools your given. I don't agree with you about the North end of the Met . Half an hour slapped on my journey time is not cool, but that's Life...... ;D Best Wishes
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Post by cooperman on Dec 13, 2011 5:06:52 GMT
MetControl As a Moderator myself of another forum. Your comments on this thread and forum , seem to be coming over as Prejudice against other Commuter Groups ( As a Moderator that's just not in the Rule book Old Bean ). Without appearing to be Condescending , i think you should refrain from adding your comments to this thread. It's quite clear to me that just because some Commuter groups have the Luxury of a Fast Service , you and the Management seem fit at any cost to take that away from them . Yes i can see the advantages of the WTT to the other Commuter Groups ( Good for them) .To Rob Peter to pay Paul is just not on is it. Commuters up here are not interested in seats ,they just want to get to work as fast as possible. Any road ...my question is Why offer the through service to Chesham , stating " This will reduce Journey Times " in the the first place . Surely the service hasn't change that much. Is it because of that Pinner Toff ? , i can see his point in a way. Running Fast Services down the local lines and not stopping to pick up the 4 passengers S/B in the evening.
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Post by cooperman on Dec 12, 2011 10:01:03 GMT
Oh well...
That's over 30 mins slapped on my Journey time home this morning from the good old smoke . Nice of them to push back the departure times of Chesham trains to accommodate an extra Amersham . I suppose that will please some. As predicted no standing room on the Chiltern services.
ETA : Could we now have a Pullman Service, and of course being a Toff it would be nice to have a Shoe Shining Service as well . What... ;D
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Post by cooperman on Dec 10, 2011 17:03:45 GMT
I was looking forward to taking the 0731 N/B Chesham Fast from Baker St this morning , as this would have been my last . The WTT has taken every Fast service away at that time in the morning, in fact there isn't any Fast services N/B at all in the morning from Baker St. They replaced the Chesham with an Amersham Fast ( PT4), that got cancelled at Ricky, but i did get a Taxi back to Chesham when i got back to Amersham so that was nice of them.
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Post by cooperman on Dec 1, 2011 22:26:40 GMT
Well if you go into London in the evening peak (i.e. Chesham - Zone 1 etc) I believe you get charged off-peak rates -- that good enough? It depends what you call Peak. The present 1800 and 1830 services in to zone 1 are Full fare. From the 11th of December these services will be a lot slower "as per Off Peak" no doubt charged at Peak service .
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Post by cooperman on Dec 1, 2011 22:07:00 GMT
I would leave Canary Wharf at say 0700 ,pick up my connection at Baker Street . This would have been the 0727 (LF) departure ex Aldgate to Chesham . This would arrive at 0815 in Chesham. The New TT puts this train back to 0720 , but arrives 0820 in Chesham . Having done a Journey Planner Leaving Chesham on my return to work at 1800 , this take i hour 23. Happy Days You take a hit for 2 reasons Running via the local lines - adds on 5 minutes The other reason is that your train gets regulated by around 7 minutes at various locations including 2 minutes stand time at Ricky and 3 minutes at C&L This is largely beacuse you can't get up the branch as a train is coming off it Ok thanks for the reply. It does seem Chesham is going to take the Brunt of these changes. Getting back to your earlier point about the Peak times , does this mean i shouldn't have to pay the peak time Tariff going back up North as this is an off Peak service ..... I wish. ;D
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Post by cooperman on Dec 1, 2011 19:50:33 GMT
OK thanks for that. Oh well ... looks like i will be travelling to Amersham , which doesn't seem to be Affected . Perhaps its just the connection that works out differently as opposed to the journey time? ie - the Chesham leaves at a different xx mins past the hour? What time are you looking into Chesham? I would leave Canary Wharf at say 0700 ,pick up my connection at Baker Street . This would have been the 0727 (LF) departure ex Aldgate to Chesham . This would arrive at 0815 in Chesham. The New TT puts this train back to 0720 , but arrives 0820 in Chesham . Having done a Journey Planner Leaving Chesham on my return to work at 1800 , this take i hour 23. Happy Days
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Post by cooperman on Dec 1, 2011 19:24:51 GMT
OK thanks for that. Oh well ... looks like i will be travelling to Amersham , which doesn't seem to be Affected .
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Post by cooperman on Dec 1, 2011 18:45:03 GMT
Just to be contrary, not all Chesham folk dislike the change to direct trains, and nor does the new timetable look dreadful. We'll have to see what it's like in reality, of course. Ok fair Comment. Have you done a Journey Planner ?. I have just done one from the TFL website. Traveling from " Canary Wharf " to "Chesham " at 0700 Peak Time on the 7th Of December . Duration 1 hour 11mins . One week later Duration 1 hour 24mins . I thought it was only the Off peak Services that have changed.
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Post by cooperman on Nov 27, 2011 22:52:22 GMT
Oh ....lets not forget , the main objective to the T/T ( Forget about the Pinner MP ) is to force commuters to pay extra to get the Faster Service in to London . Not my words of course , just what i heard through the Grapevine. Not the objective at all. Nobody is forcing anyone to switch services. Not only will we still be running fast services in the peak, off peak our services don't actually take that much longer, and many more are direct to the city without the need to change at Baker Street. I can tell you now, that Chiltern services won't remain as "fast" as they are at present for much longer. Changes are on their way... I'm sure I've probably said that several times now. Someone pass me a brick wall upon which to bang my head. Every Met station with the exception of Watford and Croxley (for now) will now have a regular all-day direct service to Aldgate. We cannot run the old fast services all day and provide increased direct trains to Aldgate, so we've had to strike a compromise. Many Thanks for your reply. I would like to take this Opportunity to thank you for making these Services work for us in Chesham and Amersham. As a Commuter, you ( and others ;D ) have realized how important the Services are. I learn something everyday on this Website.
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Post by cooperman on Nov 24, 2011 19:11:25 GMT
If Chesham had a users group they either didn't shout, didn't shout loud enough, or didn't have enough people shouting unfortunately! Oh they do indeed have a users group, and were very successful in getting the through services. Now, of course, they are regretting campaigning so hard. And before someone says it - again* - the through services were more a product of the users group campaign, and the S-stock capacity issue was a "happy coincidence." Had there never been a valid campaign by those in Chesham, then maybe, just maybe, the company would not have been so quick to dismiss a shuttle service on the branch, and may have looked into equipping Chalfont Bay platform for S-stock operation. MetControl , of course your right. I'm sitting here in front of my Computer laughing , with a placard saying " I told you so " ;D IMO The Management where quite Economical with the truth last year. I wonder how many Residents/ or Action Groups would have voted for a Through Service billed as a " No need to change Straight through Faster Through out the Day ( did you see what i said there ) Service . It was no Happy Coincidence in a lot of Chesham Commuters eyes i'm affraid . They where dangled a Carrot and now its been half eaten. Oh ....lets not forget , the main objective to the T/T ( Forget about the Pinner MP ) is to force commuters to pay extra to get the Faster Service in to London . Not my words of course , just what i heard through the Grapevine. Happy Days. Of course i'm a Chesham Toff and Serial Moaner. ETA : I'm not having a Dig, just saying . ;D
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Post by cooperman on Sept 11, 2011 21:24:44 GMT
So by that merit the Piccadilly Line should call at Ravenscourt Park, Stamford Brook, Turnham Green and Chiswick Park? The District Line (for the first three at least) provides a decent service as it is. It's quite a different scenario - not least to mention there isn't really the capacity to thrust the Piccadilly Line's full service down that way as well! Cooperman, you seem to have get again jumped my point. The top end of the Met is no more special than anywhere else on the line. Whining because you have a whole seven minutes slapped on your journey time to benefit people other than you? I might be coming across a bit grouchy but the whole attitude from the people in zones 8/9 seems to be sod everyone else, I want my fast trains! The changes are off-peak, like I also said in my post. They are improving peak journey times and capacity with the S stock, not that you'll see all of that until the resignalling is complete and in full service. Like I said before, there's a lot of fresh air carried on the Met in the off-peak. If you're in a rush to get somewhere, use Chiltern. Marylebone is a short couple of minutes walk away from Baker Street. I'm not Whining and there is no point in getting your Nappy in a twist. Just Stating a point old boy. As said before, get your self down to Harrow at Peak Times .
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Post by cooperman on Sept 11, 2011 20:58:00 GMT
As a passenger on the " Top end of the Met " i can tell you a lot of people moved out to Amersham and Chesham based on the fact there was a Fast service into London. So lucky no. Do all these people who moved to Amersham and Chesham start work in London after 10.00 ? Nice work if you can get it !!! Your not getting the point. The services will effect the " Peak Service"
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Post by cooperman on Sept 11, 2011 19:58:25 GMT
The Met is lucky to get a fast service at all - you don't see anything skipping half the stations from Epping to West Ruislip (albeit a different scenario, some people might just have a commute from example Greenford to Newbury Park!) It's part of the Underground, not National Rail. It may be a "degraded service" but not for those at the south end of the line, where the passenger loadings seem to be heavier in the off-peaks anyway! Perhaps 2tph of the service Chalfont to Harrow should be diverted instead to Uxbridge to help with the markedly higher passenger loadings on that section of line off-peak... might appreciate the service you'll get then! The top end of the Met isn't special. Use Chiltern if you want the speed in - the fares are the ruddy same! As a passenger on the " Top end of the Met " i can tell you a lot of people moved out to Amersham and Chesham based on the fact there was a Fast service into London. So lucky no. Maybe you should take the time to go down to Harrow , Hmmm lets say about 1800 Peak time N/B. Lets see how far you get , while you see endless Uxbridge and in the case of Watford empty trains Depart N/B. ETA : Don't get me wrong . I'm Very pleased we have a service from Chesham, but please please TFL don't keep telling us " We are improving the Met to give you a Faster Service " . It just winds up your Client Base. ;D
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Post by cooperman on Aug 23, 2011 20:25:57 GMT
Went on the Met today, Liverpool Street to Chesham and back (changing at Baker Street). Was surprised to only see 1 S-stock which was at Chalfont & Latimer. Thankfully it looks like we still have quite a bit of time to ride the A-stocks before they all go to the scrapheap. I really think the exterior design of the S-stock is brilliant. Its the interior that I am really unsure of. I wonder if even more commuters up in Buckinghamshire will try to get the Chiltern service which is very comfortable, if they are faced with those S-stock seats to and from London every weekday! Evening All Took a S Stock from Baker St at 0727 to Chesham These are my Thoughts:- Very impressed with the Smoothness of the Journey. Surprisingly Fast all the way to Chesham. Still think there is a Security issue with a walk through Train. The problem is There has been issues regarding certain individuals intimidating Passengers that have spilled out to the rest of the Train. In the past these incidents have been confined to Individual Carriages .
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Post by cooperman on Jun 27, 2011 8:23:55 GMT
This mornings 8.26 ex Chesham is A stock. Yep picked it up from Baker St at 0727 N/B. Two drivers on a mission, that's got to be the fastest time from Baker St to Chesham . If not the fastest I've traveled on the single trk. Superb...
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Post by cooperman on May 23, 2011 10:53:01 GMT
I got on one from Baker Street to Chesham, a couple of weeks back. These our my thoughts. It was an all stations to Chesham, quite slow all the way up to Chalfont, then picked up speed on the single track. I'm no fatty, but the seats where quite narrow. I also thought the Lightning was a bit too bright, but this could have been due to the Bright interior. Very smooth journey.
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Post by cooperman on May 20, 2011 7:45:43 GMT
On another note...is there a reason why the 1742 fast Aldgate to Chesham service get's delayed at Rickmansworth to let another Chiltern service through. This has happened two days in a row, you now see two Chiltern services run through L/ Chalfont in a space of 5 to 10 mins. One stops the other doesn't, a delay of 15 mins. Just intersested that's all. The first (and booked through first) Chiltern is 2B53 which is booked to non-stop Rickmansworth at 1825. Then comes your train - 446, booked at Rickmansworth 1833. Then the next train is 1B54 which is booked to pass Rickmansworth at 1839. Yesterday, your train was delayed and held due to a tresspass incident at Amersham. Once things started to move, priority was given to 1B54 which runs non-stop Marylebone to Great Missenden. Today I cannot vouch for as I wasn't there, but the pathing is such that if your train is more than 3-4 minutes late, the signaller will bring 1B54 through first as it will lose time if stuck behind 446 and incur a penalty. From December this type of thing will change, and unfortunately there will be occasions where the Chiltern will be delayed in favour of the Met. Many thanks for the explanation. Regards ..
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Post by cooperman on May 19, 2011 20:13:13 GMT
yes i think the wembley park stop should be omitted completely! i also think graeme186 timetable is a very good idea! also when you say delayed at ricky to let another chiltern through, how does the chiltern get past the chesham train? This is where i get Flamed ;D , i had taken the earlier Amersham service to L/Chalfont. I can only come to two conclusions . 1) the Chesham service came up the slow track, and waited just past Moorpark. 2) It was delayed at Harrow .
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Post by cooperman on May 19, 2011 19:27:14 GMT
Even the fast services that remain in the peaks will still be slower than now due to the addtional stop at Wembley Park. As I have said before I don't know why this stop is needed as I doubt many people will be getting on or off there. Funny you should say that, i often wondered why. I get the first train out in the morning, which i pick up from L/Chalfont. It stops at Wembley park and there's another Train in the other platform , people don't seem to realize that this fast train from Amersham to Aldgate stops there, and goes first. No one gets on it or off it. On another note...is there a reason why the 1742 fast Aldgate to Chesham service get's delayed at Rickmansworth to let another Chiltern service through. This has happened two days in a row, you now see two Chiltern services run through L/ Chalfont in a space of 5 to 10 mins. One stops the other doesn't, a delay of 15 mins. Just intersested that's all.
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Post by cooperman on May 14, 2011 20:12:37 GMT
Well it's not as if the current fasts really gain anything north of Harrow, they've been run on the locals to no ill effect. I'm afraid your Journey time from Chesham , increases by 5 - 10 mins using the slow track. It happened to me last week. I can't see how they came to the conclusion of an increase of 7 mins stopping at every station . Unfortunately being a Minority Commuter ( 11 hour Shift worker ) i have lost out on the present Chesham timetable. All its done for me is to shift my half an hour waiting time between trains by 10 mins. As i said I'm in the Minority, but by making the off peak Chesham service an all station service just adds to the misery. Oh well.. that's life.....
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Post by cooperman on Dec 22, 2010 23:20:27 GMT
Hi All This is my first post,so be gentle. Firstly .I take my hat off to those involved in bringing back the Chesham Shuttle at short notice(if only Temporary) .Quick thinking me thinks.Thank's for that,you have helped a lot of people to get to Work. Secondly.I'm really glad i Lurked on this Forum.It has really opened my eyes to the problems regarding the Met up here.It's a real Eye opener finding out some really interesting Stuff.This has relieved the Stress as a Commuter.Also many thanks to the Lady Driver who waited for the delayed 2056 Chiltern Train at L.Chalfont tonight Thirdly Merry Christmas to all. ;D Regards Coops
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