My very first ride on an S stock.

Why didn't you not like it?

Maybe we should get rid of your beloved C stocks first

@ed, why don't you like them? I find them very nice, and quite an upgrade!

Sounds good by my ears (seriously, i dislike the C stock)

Oooooh the irony.

S8's are not suitable for Amersham - Baker Street style journeys

So I may assume that a lot of what you didn't like was due to speed which is not only dictated by the train type but also by signalling (train ahead), driver etc.

Having used 378s, U and S-bahn in Berlin and Cologne, I prefer through trains for commuter routes. Greater capacity is single biggest benefit.

As to seat comfort, not having sat on the seats I can't comment. But I know air-con is a lot more comfortable in summer (I compare 377 (fresh) and 319 (oven) on the Thameslink route).

The S8s are fantastic - I can't wait until all the SSLs are using them. I often wonder just how long the A-stock loving refuseniks think their beloved trains can carry on - 75 years? 150? At some point, they've got to go. May as well be now whilst there's still budget for improving the tube, because it looks like there won't be anymore for a long, long time...

Really? I travelled up to Wembley Park on an 'A' stock yesterday and couldn't use my iPad because of the ride. I then travelled down to Aldgate and back on an 'S' Stock (which was out of service and on test) and had no issues. I think even the most dedicated 'A' stock fan would not dispute the ride quality of an 'S'.


Not stock related in any shape way or form and had you been on an 'A' stock the same would have happened as this appears to be service related.


Again, really? Improved flexibility for customer movement, increase in standing space (1.1 billion customers last year etc), better in terms of security, better in event of emergency, the list could go on...


Finally, really? Unless you had a Speedo in your pocket I am not sure how you could judge. It is notoriously difficult to estimate train speeds when looking sideways out of windows. In addition, that improved ride that you didn't notice masks a lot of the speed too. Even if it was going slower, that wouldn't be down to the stock as previously explained.

I quite like you!

Spare a thought for those 'A' Stock enthusiasts though. I will be expecting a spare thought back from them when it is time to scrap the SSR Premier Fleet ('C' Stock). ;D

Thought it was?... The ones for the rest of the SSL were going to have all longetudinal seating, weren't they?

The ride quality is far better, at times it seems as though its not moving when it is. In fact I find that uncomfortable

I wonder how quickly it will deteriorate though. Will the small wheels play a part? How will they look and feel after 15 years abuse? The comparison atm is between something worn out and something new; its naturally going to be in the news favour.

If the seating receives enough complaints, say, in the next 10 years, along the same lines as those received before it the fleet was constructed, what are the chances it might be changed at some point in the future?

What fool decided that the first four sets of doors should be cut out should there be a door irregularity? I can understand maybe two sets, considering where the train draws up sometimes, but a whole four sets? Please – and then you're not given enough time to get down the train past everybody else to get off, as I have experienced on two separate occasions now.

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Did you operste the red handle for passenger emergency use?

If not - why not?

It was an emergency - you wanted to get off.

Who's bashing walkthrough? Walkthrough is the best thing. It's annoying they make the 09ts like that.