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Post by Phil on Mar 27, 2006 14:32:55 GMT
Some managers I know even tell trainees on their road test to expect to have a SPAD in their first six months. This is madness to me, talk about setting someone up for a fall! Isn't that a direct effect of concentration of performance over all since PPP (even if not related in this case)? If a new driver (with not enough route miles?) is forever being told to keep to time or be up before the boss, he's going to drive so near the limit he's bound to overcook it sometime (despite lip-service to defensive driving). OR, with a different type of personality, he's going to be so nervous he does the very thing he's scared of.
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Post by Phil on Mar 26, 2006 16:44:26 GMT
One of these days I'm going to work up the courage to ask the T/Op to let me stay in the train - if the detrainment rules have been relaxed to permit old-style detrainment for Kennington loop, I want to try bashing it... Why ask - why not just stay on (as in the case of the first post)?
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Post by Phil on Mar 26, 2006 14:49:54 GMT
No it isn't. The route holding and point locking circuitry in sidings is less complex and to a less rigourous standard for a passenger route and it is for this reason that you can't take passengers over a shunt route. Hence you cannot insure it for passenger usage.......... Sam Not JUST insurance Sam. It's our old friends HSE who do the prohibiting, the loss of insurance is a by product. Same with a car. If it's unroadworhty the police can prosecute - you're breaking the law. It's as a RESULT of this you're uninsured, not the other way round
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Post by Phil on Mar 10, 2006 12:21:39 GMT
Not meaning to be rude to you, Phil, but general opinion in several books is that the Great Central never served any very useful purpose. No offence taken at all - and I am definitely NOT a Watkin supporter: he was (to all accounts) an arrogant bully and impossible to deal with! However, I have two books which take a more objective view than some of your sources, and one critical visionary aspect of GCR has been left out: the loading gauge. If we had kept GCR (yes, with all its losses) we would not be in the pickle we are now with international ISO containers being too large to be carried on standard wagons....GCR could (and should) have become the major N-S freight route.
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Post by Phil on Mar 10, 2006 11:10:28 GMT
The Met was run by a megalomaniac who wanted to use it as part of a through route from Manchester to Paris via London and a Channel Tunnel. He got as far as building the pointless Great Central Railway One man's megalomaniac is another man's visionary. Sir Edward Watkin did a lot (not just railways) for the folks up north. He was a true entrepreneur and as such was bound to ruffle a few feathers. They all do, including Brunel with his atmospheric railway in Devon. There was nothing basically wrong with the plans for the GCR (except cash), and it only became pointless once nationalisation came and BR decided to downgrade it. Precisely what was done a generation later with the Waterloo-Exeter mainline. I suspect that without Sir Edward we would not have the Met today, because when he became involved it was on the point of going bust.
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Post by Phil on Jan 31, 2006 19:44:01 GMT
As a passenger the 38ts was undoubtedly by far the most comfortable TS as far as seats etc went . They went for a much harder seat for the 59ts, and after that things got even worse. I suspect the 38ts was the last stock with sprung seating, though I'm open to correction on that.
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Post by Phil on Jan 31, 2006 15:04:19 GMT
Yup - the 38s WERE the Northern line for many a decade.
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Post by Phil on Jan 26, 2006 16:46:54 GMT
Well it can be done but, like you, I believe that in most cases this should not happen. I give two examples of possible exceptions:- 1. A steam locomotive has been stripped down and left to rust. A group decide that its condition is such that it may be restored to a period in its life for which they have full working drawings and during which time it carried several numbers, none of which was its final number. 2. The case of the C&SLR electric locomotive. This carried the number 1 from 1923 (after withdrawal) until 1990. It is clearly not no.1 - that locomotive being a different shape and design. Research showed that it was almost certainly no.13 (the number that it now carries) but that there was a very small chance (maybe less than one percent) that it was no.14 What would you do in these cases? No 1: Any number a vehicle (loco or carriage) carried during its life is valid so long as the restoration is appropriate to the number carried. No 2: panic? ( ;D ;D ;D) If it's REALLY impossible from chassis nos, part nos etc. to decide what number it originally carried, then any suitable number is beyond argument, isn't it?? My point is, if a vehicle has a known number (or even two or three) then to number it different from any of these is faking it. HOWEVER: many of the 62cars got renumbered (once) during their life due to reformation, so for these cars either number would be valid.
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Post by Phil on Jan 26, 2006 15:41:59 GMT
Rule 1 of Preservation. You CAN'T renumber cars etc. Either it's authentic or it's a fake.
If you have to, run a set in true numbers but not authentic original state.
Hence the idea in another thread of getting back the 1304/5 set as a 4-car.
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Post by Phil on Jan 17, 2006 19:34:48 GMT
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Post by Phil on Jan 21, 2006 18:07:59 GMT
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Post by Phil on Jan 17, 2006 13:01:42 GMT
But isn't the idea to run trains to where people want to go?
If split in this way (and it's been tried before) the amount of passenger movement at Camden/ Euston as people change branches is ridiculous. Your solution is 'management led' not customer passenger- led
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Post by Phil on Jan 17, 2006 10:44:34 GMT
Wasn't one N/B platfrom (ant the corresponding S/B) there already? If so, they would have had to put the N/B junction in a different place from the S/B to avoid conficting mov'ts, and this would have then prevented reversing movements. Or have I missed summat?
Pah - Q8 beat me to it!!
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Post by Phil on Jan 16, 2006 13:03:39 GMT
Yup!!
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Post by Phil on Jan 16, 2006 11:34:53 GMT
Or there's this from 1927. Good diagram but one serious error which I'll leave the clever ones to spot...
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Post by Phil on Jan 14, 2006 12:59:58 GMT
I'd prefer a human to be in TOTAL control, not just confined to merely tending to doors...Anyway, that's just my outside opinion. So you're against ABS on cars are you Andrew? Sometimes computers can do things way outside human capabilities. BUT, if you mean there should always be a human present, who has a (big red) OVERRIDE button so he can take control if he has to, then I agree fully with you. Human presence rather than human control.
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Post by Phil on Jan 12, 2006 16:33:22 GMT
I don't want to lock yet ANOTHER thread, but I will if folks keep taking innocent comments personally.
(on BOTH sides in this case)
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Post by Phil on Jan 11, 2006 23:19:16 GMT
For our more recent members ATO and rain were discussed in great detail a couple of months ago. See here
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Post by Phil on Dec 17, 2005 23:57:55 GMT
Well done MA! Those of us from outside the smoke were wondering what the hell folks were on about!!
Mind you, with the train numbers clearly shown, the drivers who will be identified can then sue the substandard for defamation of character.
C'mon Bob Crowe, where are you when you're needed?!!!
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Post by Phil on Dec 13, 2005 11:29:20 GMT
Having recently passed through Morden, THROUGH Morden? Now I AM worried ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Phil on Oct 19, 2005 10:30:47 GMT
cool is NOT hay-clarce (and NOT chav either). cool is, well, cool!
( ask one of the teenagers to explain cool - I can't!)
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Post by Phil on Oct 19, 2005 10:05:19 GMT
for use when Cockfosters Depot was sub-zero during the winter. Yup, all the coolest people were born and brought up at the top end of the Picc! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Phil on Nov 21, 2005 14:15:11 GMT
I though FGW, in common with other TOCs was no AWS/ TPWS = no run. ic125 - you will find this has already been answered by MA in this thread a few posts above. It's better to read posts thoroughly than to post again and make yourself look a..........
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Post by Phil on Oct 21, 2005 21:29:27 GMT
sry OT, but dragging this up fro earlier i the thread. Sorry jn, can you translate? Us oldies do not understand textspeak! Not the way you put it. If the line and the Traction was AWS fitted the driver had no option but to use it. However even at that time there were several lines without AWS and then the driver had no option but NOT to use it.
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Post by Phil on Oct 14, 2005 19:10:00 GMT
MA I hope you ARE right that this appalling nonsense has been stopped by GW trains since then. I have no current contacts in that area. Well i checked before i posted with my FGW correspondant, so im 3/4 of the way there! Thank God for some common sense on FGW at last- as also seems to be the case dropping the disciplinaries for the 'Northern four' who first refused over the tripcock issue.
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Post by Phil on Oct 14, 2005 18:02:25 GMT
Not always- that's exactly how Southall happened: no AWS, driver error, passengers dead and injured. IIRC if your AWS / TPWS is defective, the train has to be tipped out as soon as possible, and then run double manned to the depot. (hope thats right!) Maybe now- you could be right, but Southall driver (and I know the inspector who passed him out) was told if he didn't take train without AWS (AND no second man available) he would be suspended without pay there and then (at Swansea). Seriously, MA I hope you ARE right that this appalling nonsense has been stopped by GW trains since then. I have no current contacts in that area.
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Post by Phil on Oct 13, 2005 18:41:33 GMT
On NR, if the AWS/TPWS develops a fault, then the train is taken out of service immediately - what's the difference in this case? Not always- that's exactly how Southall happened: no AWS, driver error, passengers dead and injured.
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Post by Phil on Oct 13, 2005 18:02:01 GMT
I agree- in this case the half-truth (NOT A LIE) is fully appropriate as far as the public are concerned. The trains are NOT unsafe (if driven properly) and that is all that matters
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Post by Phil on Oct 12, 2005 21:46:22 GMT
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Post by Phil on Oct 7, 2005 21:28:47 GMT
Absolutely true: if Larry Harrison had insisted he was double- manned because his AWS was inoperative Southall would not have happened. My point was not about drivers making mistakes (I have not run a red- yet!) but the press making out the whole system was unsafe when in fact there was no real danger to the public.
BTW if I was a Northern driver in this situation I would have been one of the first out on dispute coz if a safety system is there it MUST work. Unpredictability is far worse than no system at all.
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