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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 18:45:02 GMT
Abyone see the Article in todays substandard regarding the Northern line (Here's a Tube train... but where is the driver?)?
After my initial, WTH! and since when has the northern line had ATO?
I got to thinking how is what is displayed in the phtographs possible? I thought to run a train you needed to have some efffect over the Deadman at all times. Some of the photos seem to show a rather difficult deadman holding position.
Though i did have one thought, they didnt take a picture of the rear cab with someone in it did they?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2005 19:53:07 GMT
It seems strange that the photographer (who isn't a journalist), was taking pictures in the same location for 4 hours! Seems like someone trying to find a story, and selling it to a paper for a bit of money?
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Post by Colin on Dec 15, 2005 20:11:25 GMT
I walked down to Tower Hill station from Fenchurch Street, on my way into work and see all the substandard signs emblazoned with "train with no driver - see amazing pictures". As it was only 20p today I thought sod it i'll buy a copy rather than wait and find one later. Get's about three pages in to see three pictures - all with drivers in the cab. So they're false advertising then. Of course anyone else doing that would have a story written about them. The pictures show a driver drinking a tea/coffee, a driver reading something and, admittedly a little concerning, a driver with a very young child in the cab. Any of these activities could quite easily occur at any platform. Considering how clear the pictures are, i'm astounded that the trains are actually moving - especially at the claimed 35mph. 'The paper that never gets it wrong' also claims that the deadman can be momentarily released with no effect. Really?
The substandard obviously didn't have a decent story to print today, so they went with this rubbish. Personally I hope someone takes them to task on the rubbish they have printed today - it's just a pity the public are gulible enough to accept what has been missprinted today as the truth, when it actually isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2005 20:14:40 GMT
The only use the Standard has is to clean the cab windows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2005 20:20:28 GMT
The only use the Standard has is to clean the cab windows. Or soak up the flask of tea you've just thrown over the floor!
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Post by q8 on Dec 15, 2005 20:33:49 GMT
The only use the Standard has is to clean the cab windows. Nah! It's not the cab windows you should clean with the standard. It's yer rear!
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Post by TMBA on Dec 15, 2005 20:40:18 GMT
Must be Pick on a driver week
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Post by edb on Dec 15, 2005 20:41:32 GMT
They don't actually look like there moving. I completely agree with Colin. I wanted toothers views were.
But i completely agree that this is scare mongering of the highest degree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2005 23:02:07 GMT
In 4 hours I'm surprised they only got one picture of a driver drinking tea! Honestly, what's supposed to be the harm in that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2005 1:30:48 GMT
I usually have a little picnic arranged on the paddle! I have a bottle of pop wedged down the side, a sarnie and a packet of crisps on the 'coffee table'...
As I was discussing with Colin earlier in the canteen, the Evening Standard love to scare the public, especially with Nonsense stories about tube drivers! Hopefully the driver pictured with his mug of tea will sue the Standard for every penny for invading his privacy and making out that he was doing something wrong when he was only doing what most drivers do all the time!
I very much doubt that the trains were travelling at anywhere near to 35mph! those pics are clear, and not blurred at all! The trains were probably waiting at a red signal!
I'd write a stinking letter to the editor, but he'd never print it! I'm sure this is an infringement of our human rights, to have our photograph taken and published without our consent. Hopefully ASLEF/RMT reps will be launching their own complaints against the paper.
However the one good (for the want of a better word) thing to come out of this is that we'll all be extra vigilant of people taking our photographs in future.
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Post by trainopd78 on Dec 16, 2005 10:33:36 GMT
Them photo's certainly looked fishy to me. We obviously all drink tea, but the gentleman checking his duty book didn't look like his hand was on the CTBC. I'm wondering if these people were sitting at the home signal and stationary. I've not been to HBT for nigh on 7 years so cant remember where the footbridges are. Might have to peruse the DEV later to confirm. As a side, I always thought the HBT branch was a 40mph (or was it 45 ) line. We used to hack it down to totteridge on the 59's.
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Post by Tomcakes on Dec 16, 2005 20:31:05 GMT
Are these pics online?
Rather strange that they got away with taking photos of trains - I thought you were a terrorist if you did that? Or are the ES a different case?
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Post by Colin on Dec 17, 2005 4:35:15 GMT
Funny you should ask that!! No they're not, and I can't help wondering why that is - cynical, me? ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by trainopd78 on Dec 17, 2005 11:53:09 GMT
There are 2 brick overbridges upon leaving totteridge but are nearer Totteridge than HBT. Just gone through an old Line suppliment and the line speed is 45mph like I first thought. At that sort of speed, those pictures are far too clear to be real. The clarity in the blind display would mean that bloke has really good kit or he's talking out of his rear orifice. Last theory, is that he's taken them from the footbridge at HBT platform, but considering the bloke reading his duty book, doesn't have his nose against the windscreen it's unlikely. I think the Sub standard has dented my Professional pride a bit. Me? like a dog with an old bone? Never!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2005 18:26:18 GMT
'The paper that never gets it wrong' also claims that the deadman can be momentarily released with no effect. Really? Nonsense! As for the pictures, if they were "genuine", which i doubt, what is wrong with drinking a cup of tea / coffee whilst driving along? Most new stock has a cup holder as part of the cab design. Looking down at the duty book, well, shouldnt really be doing that, likewise with the bag. The subject of the child in the cab, the picture actually shows the child standing at the entrance to the cab, with he J door open. Who knows, they could have opened the door due to an emergency? The child could have knocked on the door, with the train op opening it to make sure there wasnt a problem. Also this stretch of line is very straight, and you can see quite a way down the line, inlcuding quite a few signsls ahead of the section you are currently in. I think the problem is, is that substandard have too much time on their hands, and havnt got any facts for a "proper" story. Im sure they wouldnt like it if LUL banned sale of the newspaper in a lot of the Zone 1 stations, would they?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2005 23:28:06 GMT
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Post by Phil on Dec 17, 2005 23:57:55 GMT
Well done MA! Those of us from outside the smoke were wondering what the hell folks were on about!!
Mind you, with the train numbers clearly shown, the drivers who will be identified can then sue the substandard for defamation of character.
C'mon Bob Crowe, where are you when you're needed?!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2005 22:30:26 GMT
I wondered why I kept getting seriously eyeballed on the way in today. Of course, the folk that read that rag don't see or know the FULL picture.
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Post by traveller1030 on Dec 18, 2005 23:00:24 GMT
Funny you should ask that!! No they're not, and I can't help wondering why that is - cynical, me? ;D ;D ;D ;D I concur. Associated Newspapers in 'ruse to sell newspapers' shocker? Well I never!!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 0:08:54 GMT
Having seen the scan, that article is an even bigger pile of rubbish than I'd imagined.
"Look, no driver" - well, apart from the one clearly visible in the M door! And they even admit in the article that tea etc. is allowed!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 0:11:49 GMT
"Look, no driver" - well, apart from the one clearly visible in the M door! And they even admit in the article that tea etc. is allowed! Well yes, i had the same thought! Silly shunts!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 0:13:30 GMT
I like the way they've ''tried'' to explain how the deadmans handle works.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 0:31:13 GMT
I like the way they've ''tried'' to explain how the deadmans handle works. Tried, and very successfully failed!
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Post by Admin Team on Dec 19, 2005 10:22:55 GMT
What utter nonsense!
Perhaps we should invite both representatives of the sub Standard and the sad Mr Wiltshire to join us here to find out what the more credible answers to these 'shock phots' are!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2005 10:33:15 GMT
we should try a paradoy:
"look no photographer" with a camera on a tripod!
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Post by Christopher J on Dec 19, 2005 11:43:11 GMT
The trains were probably waiting at a red signal! While coming into High Barnet Like every line on LU, it's common to have to wait at a red signal outside a terminus station for a platform to become free and if Mr. Wiltshire’s Photo's were taken at High Barnet then it's no doubt there would be Trains queuing and waiting for an available platform at the station, personally I think the Trains were stopped at the time they were Photographed and this just another story to scare the travelling public.
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Post by q8 on Dec 19, 2005 14:07:24 GMT
I should think those train op's so pictured would have a good case for taking the standard and it's 'snap-happy-chappie' to a court or somesuch for defamation. The union and company should back them up too as it is bad publicity for the firm and ridicule of members.
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Post by compsci on Dec 19, 2005 16:31:58 GMT
Being a little more scientific ... 45mph is approximately 20 metres per second. (conversion factor 0.44704) Fastest shutter speed on my Christmas present, one of these, is 1/4000 seconds. The train would therefore travel approximately half a centimetre during the time in which the shutter of the camera was open, producing what would appear to be a stationary image, certainly for newspaper printing. Add to this the ability to take three pictures per second for about five seconds, and the probability of getting a sharp image of a moving train is high. (End of Science lesson) However, I still side with the theory that the trains in question were stationary, given that it appears that the deadman would have operated in at least one of the cases, and the supposed proximity to the terminus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2005 4:23:56 GMT
The trains were probably waiting at a red signal! While coming into High Barnet Like every line on LU, it's common to have to wait at a red signal outside a terminus station for a platform to become free and if Mr. Wiltshire’s Photo's were taken at High Barnet then it's no doubt there would be Trains queuing and waiting for an available platform at the station, personally I think the Trains were stopped at the time they were Photographed and this just another story to scare the travelling public. Endeth the quotathon... Errr, if the trains were coming into High Barnet, why oh why does it have Morden via Bank/ Morden via CHX on the train describers? I thought they were only set after the op had changed ends?
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Post by ttran on Dec 21, 2005 4:54:34 GMT
Well it's not like anyone at High Barnet needs to know that the train goes to High Barnet! So I guess the drivers decided to set up the desto in readiness for the next trip
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