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Post by Phil on Jan 20, 2013 15:36:10 GMT
Yes - thanks for that. Adds to current historical documents for us 'historians'.
As per usual, once a good chance has been given for all to have a look over the next week or so, the thread will be moved by a mod to the 'historical' area of the fourm.
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Post by Phil on Jan 18, 2013 12:42:39 GMT
So, why should drivers on the train be any more at risk of assault than the platform staff aiding with any detrainment. Part of this is NUMBERS of staff on the platform and train, as Colin himself has found out to his intense personal cost...... Perhaps because of a direct issue relating to the procedure - i.e. staff being REASONABLE and not making a fuss - only to find a t/op in trouble. So then the only alternative is to works the rules precisely. And don't forget staff are beginning to be sacked for 'unsafe procedures' brought about by working to 'custom and practice' to keep the service going. D*mned if you do, and d*mned if you don't - no wonder unions are telling their members to stick to the written-down rules at all costs these days. Working to rule is, without fail, caused by rules being written (or inherited) where there is no possiblity of running a proper service if they are adhered to - not only on LU, but buses, the PO, most building sites and so on. Hence (as stated upthread) why it is such an effective 'wakeup' call when it is applied. No possible chance of disciplinary action because in these cases the rules ARE being followed - to the letter!!
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Post by Phil on Jan 11, 2013 17:24:31 GMT
That ianvisits website gives a huge amount of valuable info, but the pedant in me REALLY baulks at the words used to describe the consist of the 1915 on the 13th Jan. His aberration, and sorry to have spotted it, but to be hauled by a train?? Probably not............. .
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Post by Phil on Jan 6, 2013 10:39:11 GMT
The parts of the old layout shown are still in use. Aahh....makes sense .
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Post by Phil on Jan 6, 2013 8:37:16 GMT
Thanks for speedy answer - but I don't know (if it's any good....). I've seen that one, but it appears to be the proposed scheme for the last changes, and I've no idea if it is the "as built" version: for a start the old layout was still shown. In fact, a bit confusing (as is the real thing if you try to get around in a hurry ;D ).
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Post by Phil on Jan 5, 2013 10:42:06 GMT
Has anyone seen an isometric diagram of the current layout of KXSP underground links/passageways? I have one done before the current changes (i.e. several years old.....) but not the latest.
Can anyone point me in the right direction??
Ta.
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Post by Phil on Dec 27, 2012 12:24:36 GMT
If they were to be split as suggested, I sincerely hope they do a prolonged trial run, as they did with the modified Circle, to see if it would work in practice, especially the threatened crises at Camden Town due to the connecting passages being unable to cope with all the interchangers.
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Post by Phil on Dec 14, 2012 18:54:04 GMT
Although I must admit I'm rather nervous it being my first. Don't forget that if you're on your own, just stop at the pub entrance, dial the contact number and just one of us (not necessarily me - depends who picks up the phone ) will come out, meet you and take you in and introduce you to the rest of us. Easy-peasy and done successfully many times in the past. See you there then.....
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Post by Phil on Dec 14, 2012 7:03:57 GMT
To the morning trippers, seaeagle has asked me to stress that 1010 is departure time from the meeting point, not arrival time. So please allow sufficient time to be ready to go at that point ("doors closed and RTD sign lit" ). Get there at 1011 and you'll see nobody.
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Post by Phil on Dec 13, 2012 22:51:30 GMT
Whats the score at these meets? Do you buy your own drinks, or is it rounds? Im on a bit of a budget at the moment with a trip to Mauritius at the end of the month to look forward to! Just to clarify - we usually start the day by folks (if wageearners) lobbing £10 each into the kitty (an empty beer glass - they know what it's for now ;D ). And that always seems to last us the day somehow, latecomers also being asked to put in the £10. Even then, there's almost always cash left over at the end: I dunno how much this time, or who's got it - - but I'm about to find out So it's £10 for the day if you are comfortable with that.
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Post by Phil on Dec 13, 2012 19:19:39 GMT
A pub Full of London Underground managers. No thank you. I can think of nothing worse.!! Which pub? Not the one we're going to!! Nobody more senior than I/O or SS in THAT group .
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Post by Phil on Dec 13, 2012 9:07:41 GMT
The PM with the contact details has now gone out. If you need it and it's not with you (proboards regularly fails to PM all) please contact ME rather than the admin team account.
Thanks and look forward to seeing some of you.
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Post by Phil on Dec 12, 2012 22:51:54 GMT
Just wondering that's all. He's only been a Consultant for less than a month. Yes, he is. Well spotted. He chose to stand back from active service due to other commitments on his time - - but now several of those commitments have evaporated so the current admins decided it would make sense to get him back if he wanted it.
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Post by Phil on Dec 12, 2012 9:20:32 GMT
Those going in the morning should have got a PM. If you didn't, please contact ME (not "admin team" account).
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Post by Phil on Dec 12, 2012 9:13:54 GMT
Afternoon probably for a couple of hours. ;D Good man! longtime no see .
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Post by Phil on Dec 10, 2012 17:58:10 GMT
So, who is going this Saturday? This is going to be my first meet. After the recent thread topics, it'd be nice to have some Christmas cheer! 25 known, many still counting and deciding or trying to persuade the missus . Random guess is there'll be around 35-40 at the Penderel's Oak. And don't worry - general discussion of thread topics is (virtually) banned at meets .
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Post by Phil on Dec 5, 2012 15:46:46 GMT
Thread locked.
You lot know the rules on religion far too well by now, and should know better. Being the season of goodwill I will say no more, but it's a strange coincidence that the last 3 times we've locked on the basis of religion it's been approaching Christmas.
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Post by Phil on Dec 4, 2012 23:19:07 GMT
and as we know installing automatic crossings was the cheap alternative to bridges, underpasses or closure. Not to the railways it isn't. TBH this is - and always has been - a HIGHWAYS problem not a rail one (unlike Elsenham where clearly the railways were lacking). The rails were there first (for most roads) and it is the council highways who should be acting to safeguard their ratepayers who are roadusers. But they have always pleaded "broke" so the railways have installed gates at their own cost where they saw the risks were greatest. I hate to say it, but IMHO Network Rail have always attempted to aqct in an exemplary manner (even if their asset base was so inaccurate they often didn't have a clue what crossings were actually installed where......). I'm sure many of our journalists would have the trains give way to cars at any crossings if they had the chance.......
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Post by Phil on Dec 4, 2012 23:11:07 GMT
Just been reading about a level crossing accident on the Lincoln-Doncaster line, and total strangers online have been responding with the sentence "Thoughts go out ..... " What is it supposed to mean? It's just not the way I personally would express sympathy or sorrow for others. Seems you've just come across internet ghouls for the first time. They scour the net for cases of sudden or unexplained death, and also often look for deaths due to long illnesses then post random sympathies to relatives (they've never met) of the deceased (they've never met). The more ghoulish even go into raptures about what a nice person (they'd never met) the deceased was and how they'd be sorely missed. Yet another group of saddos who waste their time on the net - ghoulish AND attention-seeking all at the same time. Makes ordinary folks like you and me sick.........
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Post by Phil on Nov 26, 2012 19:36:22 GMT
Just a correction. TfL staff do not receive routine first aid training. Some staff do go on the course but this is a workplace course designed to help your colleagues and not the public. Why not? To my mind, this is in itself a scandal. The public are expected to ride on escalators, wait on stations far underground, travel on trains far underground and the very people logically assigned to supervise and care for these people in an emergency situation have no training for it. Are you serious? ? So if someone has a heart attack while waiting on the platform at Oxford Circus, there is no member of TfL staff qualified to provide basic care until the emergency services show up. All the staff can apparently do is "guard" the passenger. This is a joke. Even on a large building site, with over 100 workers up ladders, down holes, pouring concrete, using grinders etc., there are seldom more than two or three trained in first aid. SO if that's acceptable to the general public why the fuss over TfL/LU where the ratio is far, far higher??
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Post by Phil on Nov 17, 2012 14:01:33 GMT
Yes for the morning, but planning attend the Japan Railway Soc meeting in the afternoon. To our more serious members OBSERVE THE SMILEYS!!!
So shouldn't your name perhaps be orient al rather than orient eer?? ;D .
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Post by Phil on Nov 13, 2012 13:18:24 GMT
For reasons which will be obvious to the regulars, please can you tell us if you are going, and if you might be interested in something LU related in the morning.
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Post by Phil on Nov 7, 2012 9:15:49 GMT
Yes, we forget what the war must have been like...... such as putting back a treadless tyre onto a bus (3.02) all Underground station names blacked out (4.20) and a train every 90 seconds (7.40)? They can't do that now with all the automation!!! And the vehicles - those top route-box STLs were in my mind the most elegant design ever to come out: much better than these modern swirly curvy things .
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Post by Phil on Nov 3, 2012 10:21:36 GMT
I can't make that date either - I'd blocked the second Saturday off in my diary - the 8th - and asked for confirmation exactly a month ago in case it wasn't. After waiting for a reply and then not being able to wait any more I'd agreed something else in for the 15th thinking it probably wouldn't be then. Oh well, have fun all. :/ :/ That's a great shame (and to the others similarly affected), but if you were guessing, the overriding factor should have been the fact that it's never been earlier than 10th in all our years - and jumped on a week when it could have been the 9th. It was the mods who were investigating choices, but came up with no firm preference by members, so we stuck with (that dreadful word) tradition. Sorry again - December's busy for all it seems these days.
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Post by Phil on Oct 16, 2012 7:04:44 GMT
I do not want us immediately to have this thread locked due to our rules on party politics, but I was wondering who thinks what about Christian Wolmar standing as Mayor of London - especially as he (a socialist with a small 's') seems to have been put up to it by the Daily Mail, which is not the most left-wing newspaper in the country ;D . What needs thinking about is whether a single-issue candidate (transport - and mainly cycling at that) can really be the best for London over all - whether he can be better than a party candidate, and whether being a specialist journalist is really the best sort of CV for London Mayor. BTW - I have written on a piece of paper the number of posts I think will be made before I have to lock the thread due to A.N.Other breaking the rules - you'll find it here as rule 4a www.districtdavesforum.co.uk/index.cgi?board=intros&action=display&thread=9141&page=1
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Post by Phil on Oct 8, 2012 6:35:11 GMT
Whether or not Proboards know what you're doing is something we can't answer. There is at least one site I visit (a free ebook site) that will not let you view the catalogue, log in or download stuff unless adblocking software is switched off. It just sends you to a full new page with just that message on it. So yes, if Proboards want to find out (on an individual member basis) they can. Whether they bother is another matter; those particular T&C are there to satisfy the advertisers rather than the forum admins
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Post by Phil on Sept 20, 2012 5:13:42 GMT
Yes - a quaint bit of history which the Gov't and the TOCs should watch and learn from........
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Post by Phil on Aug 17, 2012 9:13:04 GMT
In terms of routes, don't forget the A stock is bigger than any other surface stock is/was. Special clearance tests would be needed to take it to places like Northfields, so it ain't gonna happen . And I agree that £40 is ridiculous - but as long as about 500 people don't, then that's what the market will stand. And IF the receipts are going to the LTM (and I repeat if), then who's to blame them for getting the last extra few squid, especially if as said above that the last service train is around the same time. And lastly, £15 for the unwaged isn't too bad, is it?
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Post by Phil on Aug 15, 2012 11:47:54 GMT
While Virgin are not the best operators out there, my experience of them has been better than my experience of First by some margin. Oh the beauty of democracy!!! In my view, based on the last 15 years (but not much in the last year) I hold exactly the opposite view! The current FGW bigwigs hold customer satisfaction very high - IMO Virgin just couldn't care less............. If the GW franchise goes other than back to First, say bye-bye to all proper catering, even to Penzance, and say bye-bye to flexible off-peak start times meaning you won't be able to get out of Cornwall at all before 0930 - not much use if you're going to Inverness or Thurso; you won't get there in a day!! First is by no means perfect but it's a damn sight better than either of the other "big two".
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Post by Phil on Aug 4, 2012 16:30:41 GMT
ADMIN:
Gents, this thread is heading rapidly towards RIPAS territory - you may well find it there by the time you come to need it again .
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