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Post by stapler on Sept 17, 2022 15:23:28 GMT
The very first part of the present Underground network to be commissioned as a railway line was Leyton to Loughton. This stretch contains a lot of antiquities, including in-use 1856 buildings at Snaresbrook and Woodford, and the remarkable station house at Buckhurst Hill, taken out of use as long ago as 1892, and the bay platform at Snaresbrook, not used since WW2. There's also the trackbed walk from the disused but mothballed Loughton Junction power box 600 yds up to the site of the original Loughton terminus, abandoned 1865.
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Post by stapler on Sept 17, 2022 15:10:22 GMT
And we can't expect replacements for the 92TS until about 2035? Perhaps by then they will at least procure new gaffer tape?
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Post by stapler on Sept 17, 2022 15:08:00 GMT
Or Platform 10A, as they do in the earlier part of the morning peak M-F? Nice video of Stratford but not as interesting as in the 80s, when a cup of tea (properly made) in the cafe on 6-8 provided a morning's railway entertainment for my infant son!
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Post by stapler on Sept 17, 2022 14:51:44 GMT
Stepping back at Loughton is done for a similar reason: a four minute layover is too short (it is the minimum allowable for changing ends) and would have no recovery with the same driver staying with the train. With stepping back the train can re-start as soon as the arriving driver shutting down / relieving driver opening up of each cab is complete and the rest of the four minutes is recovery. I think this has been effective in reducing delays outside Loughton, despite the greatly increased numbers of Loughton terminators in WTT70. I'm surprised, however, that the creature comforts of the drivers are not better catered for. After all, the design of Loughton station in 1935-40 was specifically to allow for EMU terminators on plats 1 and 4, with either an half-length electric or steam shuttle from 2&3 to the rural fastnesses.
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Post by stapler on Sept 14, 2022 17:14:45 GMT
Changing a timetable is a really involved job. I would doubt it! t/ops -- has stepping back at Loughton worked?
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Post by stapler on Sept 13, 2022 8:21:11 GMT
There are no tunnels between Snaresbrook and Leytonstone - but there is a road bridge over the railway that seems to be for a fairly wide road. There is a tunnel (or at least a covered way) between Snaresbrook and Leytonstone. It's clearly, if optimistically, labelled "tunnel" on the 1895 25" OS. There is also a network of road overbridges associated with the Green Man roundabout.
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Post by stapler on Sept 13, 2022 7:07:59 GMT
On the rare-ish occasions I go to Epping, generally in the evening peak, the train always seems to go into no 1 platform, necessitating the trek over the bridge! What is the procedure nowadays for a mobility-impaired passenger to exit p.1 to the street on the eastward? Or is the gate now open (cf the London-end exit at Buckhurst Hill)?
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Post by stapler on Sept 2, 2022 7:16:07 GMT
ENCTS is a statutory provision; add-ons like early and late travel, 60-66 or 18-25 would be for the local authority (or TFL, who must ape the mayor) to fund, not the govt. This is the Treasury battening down as usual
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Post by stapler on Sept 1, 2022 8:58:17 GMT
The steam powered excursions, and transfer and other goods, were worked over the ELL with condensing tank engines, that had to hook on in LV. Not to say that would have been pleasant (except for ferroequenologists).
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Post by stapler on Aug 31, 2022 12:41:52 GMT
I suppose, to be pedantic, it was only as late as 1933 that LT took over passenger services on the ELL, and on the Whitechapel and Bow, were some of the District EMUs not owned by the LM&S till nationalisation? And of course through excursions from Loughton to Eastbourne etc also passed through the ELL till the line between Liverpool St ES and Shoreditch was lifted in the mid-60s.
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Post by stapler on Aug 31, 2022 9:25:08 GMT
It was more a comment on the exceptionally narrow 1840s down platforms there rather then the exact sort of rolling stock, but yes, of course, the platform doors have to be at exactly the right spacing for the cars in use..
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Post by stapler on Aug 30, 2022 15:54:07 GMT
GA could do with them at Ingatestone.
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Post by stapler on Aug 30, 2022 11:01:15 GMT
Funny how the snow thins out on the supposedly colder country sections beyond Debden, and wonder what the P-way workers were out for at 40.25?
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Post by stapler on Aug 26, 2022 7:02:34 GMT
Passenger comfort, both on the original 92TS, and (doubtless) the remotored adaptations - seems to be of very little moment, hard, unsprung, seats, poor ventilation, flimsy armrests, jolting, and unyielding grab points....
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Post by stapler on Aug 24, 2022 9:54:04 GMT
How long ago did we last get considerable falls of snow? 2010?
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Post by stapler on Aug 23, 2022 15:43:21 GMT
The 92TS is also getting in-car displays and bays for wheelchairs; but I wonder if there'll be any prettification? The grab rails are mostly so pock-marked there's more metal than red plastic/paint.... And the 1990s armrests were soo flimsy, their average life was about a week....
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Post by stapler on Aug 21, 2022 16:26:50 GMT
I have known selective opening/closing used at Leytonstone and Loughton on 92TS in icy weather. Since however we never get winter these days, it's now some years ago. In the recent inhuman furnace conditions, I pray for long station stops at above ground stations, and have even be tempted to "obstruct the doors and cause delay".
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Post by stapler on Aug 20, 2022 13:41:27 GMT
The excursions mostly ran all stations Upper Holloway to Barking, then Chalkwell, Leigh, Westcliff and Southend Central; AIRI. Locomotives in 57-60 were anything Cricklewood had to spare, but were mostly small LM tender engines. A tank was rare, though of course 2-6-4Ts operated the regular service. I do not remember the Shakespeare curve in use after about 1957. We used to go to East Ham from Leyton Midland or Walthamstow, and it was always an annoyance to change at Barking via that dingy subway, or end up at Elm Park if unwary.
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Post by stapler on Aug 15, 2022 9:36:56 GMT
Perhaps the Victoria Line is the reason house prices increased and thus the population changed And perhaps not...E17 prices were reasonable long after 1968, Gentrification didn't set in, nor stratification of social housing, till the 90s..
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Post by stapler on Aug 15, 2022 8:01:50 GMT
This was before Walthamstow became the Shangri-La of all London yuppies and dinks.
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Post by stapler on Aug 13, 2022 10:42:51 GMT
Or perhaps a new staff uniform first would be more sensible-that would be fascinating. Would it be worth it? Uniform wearing seems a thing of the past...
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Post by stapler on Aug 12, 2022 9:10:32 GMT
A mate of mine who is a Test Train Op has confirmed the trains are faster and perform much better. In which case, what is there to stop 62mph running, especially on the outer sections? The signalling system was designed for it.
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Post by stapler on Aug 8, 2022 18:28:08 GMT
Are the upgraded 92TS stock capable of higher line speeds within the existing signalling when the entire Central Line is equipped with them? But I suppose it never will be - NTL will surely have arrived by then... This and the four posts below have been moved from the New tube for London thread - Tom
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Post by stapler on Aug 5, 2022 12:50:01 GMT
That is probably the old LTSR entrance - London Tilbury & Southend Railway, who built that route to Upminster and at one time ran trains through to Grays. The LMS station entrance was certainly on the east side of South Street, and the wooden platform accessed by stairs. Does anyone know where the booking office window(s) was / were, and whether there were other facilities such as w.c.s and waiting rooms? Mod edit [Antharro]: Quote partially removed. Please be selective about the part of a post you wish to quote rather than the whole post verbatim, particularly if you are replying to the previous post in the thread.
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Post by stapler on Aug 5, 2022 8:59:42 GMT
A half-hearted electrification in the first place. Replacing an incompatible steam shuttle service with an incompatible electric one. If they had done the job properly, and extended the Central line to Ongar, then that would be its terminus today. Compared with the other out county sections of lines it would never has carried enough passengers. In my time at London Transport even the Woodford-Hainault service was considered for closure but operational considerations saved it. It wasn't "out-county" in 1957. Everything north of the Leyton tunnel mouth was in Essex till 31.3.65.
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Post by stapler on Aug 4, 2022 14:24:57 GMT
Just came across a photo of an LT poster taken on Blake Hall Station, 5-4-57 which reads:
An odd man out among London Transport's railways is the steam-hauled shuttle train between Epping and Ongar. Electrification of this line is to be completed during 1957. At present, Central Line underground trains run as far as Epping. There passengers change for the two-coach steam trains for the six-mile journey to Ongar. The new plan provides initially for a service of 2-car Underground-type electric trains. When the traffic grows, these will be augmented. Electrification will provide a more economical and efficient service and bring the homely Essex countryside closer to the crowded heart of London.
A pity they never needed augmentation! Each of the auto-train sets accommodated c160 seated passengers. The standard stock that replaced them about 80, given the large gubbins compartments. What progress!
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Post by stapler on Aug 3, 2022 14:13:36 GMT
Couldn't a shuttle from Epping - Ongar work? But that would require trains to be withdrawn. An Ongar - Ealing Broadway service sound's good, with the existing Epping trains just being sent up to Ongar Wasn't a shuttle between Epping and Ongar exactly what we had from 1949 to 1994?
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Post by stapler on Aug 2, 2022 10:44:50 GMT
No, but there were several plans for extension, including the Mid-Essex Light railway. The LOIS study (above) 20 years ago envisaged return to NR, a duplicate main line to relieve pressure on the GEML, but would have been impractical, as the widening for quadrupling south of Loughton would have meant multiple demolitions. The EOR heritage line north of Epping would make any project impossible nowadays
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Post by stapler on Aug 2, 2022 8:35:56 GMT
Travelled on the line yesterday; I thought it was all a bit surreal. Magnificent but deserted terminus; a giant greenhouse in the hot sun, the windbreak glass on the platform totally unnecessary. A wasteland between the LTS line and the river. Still, quite good to traverse the connections to the Goblin at the London end of Barking, which I think I last did in 1958 on a Southend Central- Walthamstow Mid return excursion behind a 2P and a rake of LMS coaches!
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Post by stapler on Aug 2, 2022 8:16:28 GMT
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