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Post by stapler on Mar 25, 2023 12:37:15 GMT
The normal setting of the points was from the BR side,you could tell when an EB Central was coming by the points throwing.The first couple of 67TS trains got to Northumberland Pk Depot that way between battery locos. How would that have even be possible. Why would they have gone across Leyton to deliver a train to Northumberland Park. Also was there ever a physical connection between the mainline BR at Northumberland Park to the Victoria line depot. I had had that story too, but someone on here a few years back debunked it, by saying there was never a connection at Park, and that the 67TSs were routed from the west.
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Post by stapler on Mar 15, 2023 9:48:13 GMT
Many passengers found Fenchurch more convenient, especially those in the shipping, marine insurance, and tea brokering trades. Fenchurch had been regarded as the terminus of default for Loughton, for example. You are probably right in that the residual service from Ilford may have been all that was left in October 1949. The 1949 Central Line service was certainly regarded as inferior by commuters from the stations Loughton and south thereof that had always had a good steam service, to both Liverpool St and Fenchurch St, and lack of seats in the Standard stock was especially annoying.
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Post by stapler on Mar 14, 2023 13:31:31 GMT
AFAIK, the shuttles never began, but I don't know if track was ever laid in 4 and 7. Of course, anyone wanting Fenchurch could now change to the District cross-platform, and few would want the blitzed Stepney or Burdett Rd
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Post by stapler on Mar 13, 2023 8:46:15 GMT
No - that connection wasn't at Stratford - it was at Leyton Station Junction, just south of Leyton, with signalbox alongside the WB Central controlling the junction
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Post by stapler on Mar 12, 2023 21:18:26 GMT
What date was the circular? I'd have thought connections would have been very cramped. Perhaps this was an early idea pretty soon discarded?
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Post by stapler on Mar 11, 2023 8:48:06 GMT
A quick observation on the "customer" traffic situation on the westbound Central/Liz line interchange at Stratford. There seems to me - and it may be rather unscientific - that there is just not space either side of the stairwell walls/ platform buildings to permit convenient/safe passenger circulation between the two lines and to accommodate the u-turns necessary to get to the staircases if you want other lines. Pax also have to congregate near the Liz line doorways, lest the 345 departs before they board. On the eastbound, things are better, but what are really confusing to a visitor are the Liz line describer being over the Central platform - and the near invisibility of the Oyster validator...
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Post by stapler on Mar 11, 2023 8:36:09 GMT
Of course, post-war intention was for Loughton to be the outer terminus of much of the cross-London service through the pipe. Even Epping was to be mostly a shuttle service from Loughton, replicating the GER/LNER pattern, let alone Ongar
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Post by stapler on Mar 10, 2023 14:56:44 GMT
As has been pointed out several times on this thread> It'd be true if NTFL was likely to arrive on the Central before the mid 2030s....
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Post by stapler on Mar 6, 2023 17:04:15 GMT
Of course, in the distant past, a 4-car shuttle service did operate north of Loughton.
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Post by stapler on Mar 6, 2023 15:24:27 GMT
Would a 4-car unit get gapped, like at Hainault?
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Post by stapler on Mar 6, 2023 14:56:08 GMT
It is true that where TFL have overgroundised ex-NR lines, there have been large gains in ridership and approval. But is TFL in the market to do such a thing? And surely the finance isn't there to chuck money at the problem?
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Post by stapler on Mar 3, 2023 16:55:46 GMT
Everything about CLIP (or indeed, eventual replacement of 92TS, has been "rather vague"!
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Post by stapler on Mar 1, 2023 14:44:29 GMT
Livermoor Street would be OK, ?after the erstwhile Walthamstow drapers. It might help the American tourist confused about the Beatles experience, too.
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Post by stapler on Feb 24, 2023 11:22:15 GMT
And what's the latest on half-trains on the Loop and releasing one whole train for conversion? Or was this way back then when this thread began, and now long since superseded?
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Post by stapler on Feb 22, 2023 9:25:53 GMT
Production readiness of the fleet has entered the final stages for CCTV, LED lighting, and saloon car mechanical systems. The alternating current traction system is in final sign-off stage with the majority of hardware agreed. The outstanding issue is the modification of the auxiliary power units, which are to be reworked with new and improved safer component design. The conditional assessments for the programme lift were completed in January 2023. New doors tender returns are being reviewed and materials for the pull-forward scope have also been procured to support doors overhauls. Delivery of these works are important to mitigate the ongoing service performance challenges on the Central line. Well, I must say, I understood about 10 words of that jargon!
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Post by stapler on Feb 14, 2023 15:41:21 GMT
Of course, the LPTB, when they acquired the ex-GE branch to Loughton/Epping, promptly renamed "George Lane" to "South Woodford", even though the old name is still there 75 yrs later in brackets on old signage. The GER must have adhered to street names - eg St James St [note no apostrophe] Rectory Rd, and Wood Street. Sometimes, the railways' conventions led to local usage changing - eg, when they changed Hale End to Highams Park &HE in 1894 to attract trippers to the "most beautiful lake within a day's travel of London" in the park of Highams mansion, the new name stuck. One wonders if the GEML new station to be called (we hear) Beaulieu Park - east of Chelmsford, might be better called Chelmsford East; at least the punters could pronounce that.
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Post by stapler on Feb 10, 2023 17:11:55 GMT
Thought they had gone to Great Northern?
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Post by stapler on Feb 10, 2023 14:41:36 GMT
Anyone know what the units stored in the sidings on the London side of the N Circular bridge are? They don't seen to be LO related...and have been there Jan-Feb.
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Post by stapler on Feb 10, 2023 14:35:40 GMT
Have the days/hours of driver v computer control changed?
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Post by stapler on Feb 10, 2023 14:22:29 GMT
I have noticed on the Central EB, noise leaving Stratford has lessened, but as you get nearer the tunnel mouth to Leyton, it has got worse........
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Post by stapler on Feb 6, 2023 13:45:00 GMT
And of course, we believe everything we read in the "Standard", don't we?
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Post by stapler on Feb 5, 2023 16:57:23 GMT
Jimbo; a bit like the Central Line, I wonder if the Lizzie will not suffer from imbalance of demand between the Eastern and Western arms? With Reading being like the last few stations before West Ruislip?
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Post by stapler on Feb 4, 2023 17:58:38 GMT
Especially if they might need a w.c.
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Post by stapler on Feb 3, 2023 16:53:54 GMT
I know the timetable hasn't changed, but my last few outings on the 92TSs have seemed rather speedier than previously. That may just be a mis-impression on my part, but has anyone else had the same feeling? By the same "measure", the seating seems to have got ever saggier. Will these cars, CLIP or no CLIP, **really** last till the mid-30s?
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Post by stapler on Feb 2, 2023 15:07:57 GMT
I daresay we will get the Mayor with suitably disadvantaged coadjutors there for some fanfare publicity....
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Post by stapler on Jan 1, 2023 15:17:14 GMT
How much more, do we reckon, is in "cupboards at Acton"?
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Post by stapler on Jan 1, 2023 14:48:04 GMT
On and around New Year's Eve, the GEML and Eliz Line eastern leg were blockaded between London and Ingatestone, passengers being redirected to a fleet of doubtless very soggy buses between Ingatestone and Newbury Park, and a crowded soggy Central Line west of NPK. There was minimal information for diverted passengers, and none at Leytonstone, not even station announcements to make sure they were proceeding on the right branch. Quite a few lost souls at Snaresbrook. Presumably NR were paying for the buses, but were LU compensated for extra use of the Central? And how were passengers charged? AFAIK, there are no gates at Ingatestone; was there any ticket inspection on the buses? At Newbury Pk, presumably the gates had to be left open? Ingatestone is about the least commodious station on the GEML, and its up side is pretty inaccessible - with no cover to speak of on the down side. Or is a block payment made by NR/GA to LU to cover all this? Or does nobody care much either way
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Post by stapler on Jan 1, 2023 14:25:13 GMT
Is there any end in sight to the gapping issue with 92TS? On the other hand, running the Woodford-Hainaults as 8s does not seem to have had a fatal effect on the re-tractioning programme, does it?
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Post by stapler on Dec 30, 2022 8:20:44 GMT
George Orwell, SPS? I seem to remember it being suggested it was Jacques Delors, the hardening being some kind of EU directive.... Or was that just a ferroequenological equivalent of the bendy cucumber?
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Post by stapler on Dec 30, 2022 8:16:44 GMT
What a nuisance the shorter C stock trains were for passengers where the service (eg Victoria - Tower Hill) was shared with Ds
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