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Post by ghostofjk on Nov 21, 2008 16:58:14 GMT
I am not aware of anything else going for disposal at the moment. So what's the point of keeping these things hanging around? Particularly the 83ts, as there isn't a single working unit of that anywhere on the network? I've always wondered...
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Post by upfast on Nov 21, 2008 17:05:15 GMT
I am not aware of anything else going for disposal at the moment. So what's the point of keeping these things hanging around? Particularly the 83ts, as there isn't a single working unit of that anywhere on the network? I've always wondered... If they had all been scrapped when withdrawn the press might have caught wind of all these "new" trains being got rid of! Instead they were just "hidden" ;D ;D ;D
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Post by maxtube on Jan 5, 2009 20:10:51 GMT
Couldn't the 62TS pilots be used at Northumberland Park for the 09TS? Or at Upminster/Neasden/Hammersmith for S stock?
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 5, 2009 20:14:21 GMT
Couldn't the 62TS pilots be used at Northumberland Park for the 09TS? Or at Upminster/Neasden/Hammersmith for S stock? But I thought that the 09TS will be delivered by road to Northumberland Park depot, so pilot units won't be needed, and S stock will have the couplers at the wrong height.
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Post by Colin on Jan 5, 2009 20:50:12 GMT
I dunno about the plans for 09ts delivery (though I suspect road transport to Seven Sisters is most likely), but prjb (our man on the inside ) has already stated more than once that all S stock is planned to be delivered by rail, in their correct formations, on account of the walk-through nature of the cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2009 21:16:04 GMT
So what's the point of keeping these things hanging around? Particularly the 83ts, as there isn't a single working unit of that anywhere on the network? I've always wondered... as somebody else said it would be cool if they got another 3 cars of 83 stock from south harrow and join it up with the one at the ltmd as an examole of how not to build a train but tfl have probably got more improtant things to do and the ltm dont have any space
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 5, 2009 21:58:47 GMT
as somebody else said it would be cool if they got another 3 cars of 83 stock from south harrow and join it up with the one at the ltmd as an examole of how not to build a train but tfl have probably got more improtant things to do and the ltm dont have any space If you got 3 cars from South Harrow, you wouldn't need the DM from the LTM as the 83TS ran as 3 car units. I think that a 83TS should be preserved, but why would the LTM have to do it? Other people have preserved LU trains.
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Post by roythebus on Jan 8, 2009 9:30:50 GMT
Don't forget too there's some tube stock on Alderney. there was an article about it in a recent railway magazine. It's hauled by a small diesel loco, but I can't remember the details.
By the way, what happened to the ex CLR motor cars converted to sleet locos? I presume they've all been scrapped by now.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 8, 2009 10:13:10 GMT
By the way, what happened to the ex CLR motor cars converted to sleet locos? I presume they've all been scrapped by now. No, there is one preserved in Acton Depot.
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Post by slugabed on Jan 8, 2009 10:23:47 GMT
Don't forget too there's some tube stock on Alderney. there was an article about it in a recent railway magazine. It's hauled by a small diesel loco, but I can't remember the details. According to their website,they have 1959ts cars 1044 and 1045 painted in "1920s" livery of red with cream window surrounds.These were part of the Northern Line Centenary Train. These replaced two 1938ts cars acquired in 1987 who "succumbed to the salt air" and were scrapped in 2001. www.alderneyrailway.com
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Post by Ben on Jan 8, 2009 14:15:52 GMT
Theres a very sad picture in an edition of UN of the two 38ts cars resting on their side at the scrap yard.
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Post by miff on Jan 8, 2009 23:27:35 GMT
- Status of units at Acton Works is unchanged. So what's left at Acton Works? And what will become of it?
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Post by JR 15secs on Jan 19, 2009 18:26:13 GMT
I dunno about the plans for 09ts delivery (though I suspect road transport to Seven Sisters is most likely), but prjb (our man on the inside ) has already stated more than once that all S stock is planned to be delivered by rail, in their correct formations, on account of the walk-through nature of the cars. Colin, Don't you mean the 2009 TS will be delievered to Northumberland Park Depot by road.
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Post by superteacher on Jan 20, 2009 23:26:34 GMT
I can't see there being much passion to restore a 83TS train. A pity, because they are unique, being the only single leaf door tube stock.
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Post by Ben on Jan 21, 2009 3:38:23 GMT
The only ones still in existance. The 1900 trailers for the CLR had single leaf doors upon conversion, as did a few gate stock conversions.
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Post by metman on Jan 21, 2009 20:05:18 GMT
Yes, a strange decision considering Pick et al were trying to copy the new standard stock that had double doors. Having said that, Yorke may have wanted to minimise on door mechenisms. The driving motor cars had a pair of double doors and a single doors at the trailing end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2009 22:10:21 GMT
Yes, a strange decision considering Pick et al were trying to copy the new standard stock that had double doors. Having said that, Yorke may have wanted to minimise on door mechenisms. The driving motor cars had a pair of double doors and a single doors at the trailing end. But could the body structure be significantly weakened by having much wider openings - the first standard stock batches had a pillar between the double doors in the DMs because the bodies were too weak - let alone cars that were older.
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Post by metman on Jan 21, 2009 23:50:44 GMT
It's possible, but the CLR bodies were all wood which made the conversions practical. What is interesting is the double doors on the CLR motor cars did not have a door pillar!
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Post by Ben on Jan 22, 2009 2:30:52 GMT
The 1903 conversions did look pretty handsom, IMHO, especially with the angluar roof.
What on earth happened with the 1915 Brush DMs upon conversion though? The windows were completely changed as was the roof. Was the passenger section actually new build?
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Post by metman on Jan 22, 2009 8:14:29 GMT
I was thinking that. The Brush motors had single sliding doors and eliptical roofs. They seem to have received clerestory roofs in line with the 1903 cars. I don't know if the passneger saloon was rebuilt however?
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 23, 2009 22:13:37 GMT
I was thinking that. The Brush motors had single sliding doors and eliptical roofs. They seem to have received clerestory roofs in line with the 1903 cars. I don't know if the passneger saloon was rebuilt however? It was.
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Post by Ben on Jan 26, 2009 19:27:39 GMT
Interesting. Why so? Was the construction not suitable for conversion? And why choose clerestory roofs when they had eliptical ones originally?
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Post by metman on Jan 26, 2009 22:22:15 GMT
I guess the clerestory roofs matched the rest of the fleet. Trains with clerestory roofs were still popular. In 1926 the K, L, M and N stocks were still to be built, so clerestory roofs were still in fashion.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 27, 2009 11:34:13 GMT
Interesting. Why so? Was the construction not suitable for conversion? And why choose clerestory roofs when they had eliptical ones originally? Steel bodies were (are) difficult to modify, particularly on tube cars. They had a lot of trouble converting the Picc Gate Stock motor cars at Gloucester. Someone who was there at the time told me he advised the Underground never to do it again. They tried various steel body conversions in the 1920s from time to time but the wooden reconstruction was easier. The clerestory was largely due to the belief that it was better for ventilation.
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Post by slugabed on Feb 1, 2009 21:14:38 GMT
Travelling the Eastern Central line today,I saw (at least) 3 cars of older ts at Hainault,right at the back,and also a single car of Standard Stock,looking very sorry for itself,in sidings on the Down side,just West of Epping.I didn't catch the number....what's the story with this one?
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 1, 2009 22:26:53 GMT
At Hainault, there is a withdrawn 3-car 72TS, and a preserved 4-car 62TS. The standard stock car is probably L11 - that was converted from two standard stock DMs to make a double ended loco. In a book (London Underground Rolling Stock) it says that it was an 'Acton Works shunting locomotive', and it was converted from DMs 3080 and 3109 in 1964.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2009 22:42:03 GMT
The 1972 at Hainault is 3411-4511-3511, the 1962 is 1506-2506-9507-1507, which belongs to Cravens Heritage Trains. L11 at Epping is the former Acton double-ended shunter.
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Post by maxtube on Feb 2, 2009 10:13:14 GMT
L11 is preserved by CHT. I think.
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Post by dw54 on May 7, 2009 2:55:39 GMT
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Post by alrispoli on Jun 17, 2009 16:28:31 GMT
Just to clarify here, the 72ts at Hainault is NOT preserved and is the only remaining 72ts on site there. Why it was not scrapped with the rest of the units stored there is unknown.
As for 83ts preservation, it would be excellent if a unit was put together and saved as from a charter point of view the single leaf doors are irrelevant and the 83ts certainly defines the 1980s period of the Underground so very well in my opinion.
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