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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 10:48:13 GMT
This morning a T/OP made an announcement which referred to "North Green-Wich". This was repeated three times. I thought at first he was taking the mick. Then he referred to "Strat-Ford" which wasn't quite as gratuitous but still not the way it is usually pronounced.
I thought this was bizarre and frankly sounded quite ridiculous.
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Post by Chris M on May 8, 2013 13:34:36 GMT
There is a DLR PSA who has a slightly odd accent, presumably with a significant North American component to it, whose pronunciation of the "a" in places like "Stratford" and "Canning Town" is somewhere between the vowel in "cat" and that in "bay". He also pronounces the second "w" in Woolwich (wool-wich). I don't recall hearing him say "Greenwich" but presumably he pronounces the "w" in that too. When the ibus system was new it announced Loughton as "Loreton" (/?l???.t?n/?not /?la?.t?n/) (the first syllable rhymes with "cow" not "law"). Having never heard the word spoken, I initially thought the junction east of Tower Hill was pronounced "mine-ories" (/?ma?n. .i?z/)?rather than "minn-ories" (/?m?n. .i?z/)
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Post by domh245 on May 8, 2013 13:37:46 GMT
Good use of the IPA there Chris. I should really brush up on it a bit more though for my As exam in a couple of weeks
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 14:08:41 GMT
Surrey Quays used be mispronounced Surrey Docks! XF
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Post by grahamhewett on May 8, 2013 14:42:24 GMT
Reminiscent of that Jeeves and Wooster episode involving Americans referring to the Duke of "Chizwike".
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Post by gantshill on May 8, 2013 14:55:12 GMT
I had an Irish great aunt who wanted to visit Loughton, which to use the Scottish spelling, she pronounced as Loch Tonn. I've also heard Theydon Bois, with the Bois pronounced the French way.
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Post by grahamhewett on May 8, 2013 15:31:47 GMT
Can we settle for the Flemish pronunciation of Hainault/Henegouwe? [Clearly, the Central has a generic problem with "foreign" names...]
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Post by revupminster on May 8, 2013 15:34:03 GMT
It is Plarstow if you live there, Playstow if you do not.
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Post by peterc on May 8, 2013 16:05:06 GMT
A Met train-op once caused confusion by using the traditional pronunciation of Chesham (Chess-am) which incomers have totally eliminated in the town, although you can still get "corrected" in some country pubs in the more rural parts of the county.
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Post by castlebar on May 8, 2013 16:59:08 GMT
PLAISTOW
There is a village near me in Sussex with the same spelling > >PLASS Toe
Sussex within living memory had it's own dialect. There are 2 x Southwicks each 20 miles from me, - one east, one west
The one near Brighton is pronounced SOUTHWick, the one near Fareham is pronounced "Suthick" (as in Chiswick)
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Post by pgb on May 8, 2013 17:40:12 GMT
If you think about the amount of tourists that are around, pronouncing it as Green-witch makes sense. After all, they may have just landed at Gatwick, but could easily be staying in Flitwick!
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Post by grahamhewett on May 8, 2013 18:45:17 GMT
On my line, we've recently acquired a station called IJselmeer - which I thought was near Zwolle but which actually turns out to be between Witley and Liphook.
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 8, 2013 19:42:28 GMT
The river through Lincoln is the With-am, whereas the town in Essex is Wit-ham.
I have heard the station between St James Park and Temple announced as Westminister, (4 syllables).
And I will shortly be visiting Milngavie (pronounced Mull-Guy)
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Post by domh245 on May 8, 2013 19:50:12 GMT
In a month or so, I'm going to be doing DofE in the Brecon Beacons. The plaaning sessions are so funny, everyone is trying to pronounce these Welsh names (remember we are schoolboys in fulham) "Nant cum lwek" (Nant Cwm Llwch)is just one of these names.
Trying to haul this back on topic...
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Post by castlebar on May 8, 2013 20:42:06 GMT
Well, There are 2 x U K stations spelled Berwick
The one on the ECML is pronounced Berrick, and the Sussex one is pronounced BURR-Wick
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Post by orienteer on May 8, 2013 21:17:38 GMT
Was rather surprised not so long ago to hear a Met (A60) op refer to Aldgate pronouncing the first syllable as in Al. Surely he must have been aware of the correct pronunciation of the line terminus!
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 22:59:35 GMT
Becontree is pronounced "Beck-on-tree" on the D78 DVA, whereas locals pronounce it "Bee-con-tree".
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Post by djlynch on May 9, 2013 4:18:19 GMT
If you think about the amount of tourists that are around, pronouncing it as Green-witch makes sense. After all, they may have just landed at Gatwick, but could easily be staying in Flitwick! If the TOp was trying to make sure Americans understood him, it was probably unnecessary. Greenwich is the best known example of "the British spell things one way but pronounce them in another," and the neighbourhood in Manhattan is known as "Gren-itch Village" even if occasionally one does hear "Green Witch Mean Time" from time to time. Saying "Strat-ford" instead of "Strat-furred" for Stratford is even worse. In all my years I don't think I've ever heard the second syllable of Stratford pronounced like the car company.
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Post by class411 on May 9, 2013 6:57:08 GMT
Saying "Strat-ford" instead of "Strat-furred" for Stratford is even worse. In all my years I don't think I've ever heard the second syllable of Stratford pronounced like the car company. In reality, a lot of vowels and some consonants are missing altogether in everyday speech. Greenwich => Grenitch Stratford => Stratf'd Acton => Act'n
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Post by slugabed on May 9, 2013 9:31:27 GMT
I've found there are two subtly different ways of saying "Greenwich" that both seem acceptable: "Grennitch" which most people use,and "Grinnitch" which seems to be used a lot by people who live there and,er,posh people.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 12:43:24 GMT
"Nant cum lwek" (Nant Cwm Llwch)is just one of these names. *wince* The W sound in both Cwm and Llwch is the same - think of the U sound in 'put'. CH in Welsh is like it is in the Scottish 'loch'. As for LL... if you don't know what it sounds like, try reading this.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 18:08:59 GMT
This would be more interesting in Norfolk.
Wymondham is pronounced Wind-am and Costessey is pronounced Cossey.
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Post by rincew1nd on May 9, 2013 18:24:08 GMT
Welcome to Yorkshire!
I give you Slaithwaite.
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Post by bicbasher on May 9, 2013 19:50:52 GMT
Southern automated announcements pronounce Sydenham as "Sidden-ham." London Overground has it correctly, although they used to have Brockley as "Arkley"
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Post by metman on May 9, 2013 20:22:43 GMT
A London Midland driver operating a Tring service on leaving Watford Junction was heard to say, ''the next station is Kings Landing''! Not everyone will get that!
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Post by rincew1nd on May 9, 2013 20:37:08 GMT
A London Midland driver operating a Tring service... The correct pronounciation of Tring being "Twing!" [*] of course. The exclamation mark is compulsory, a bit like Westward Ho! [*] My Twitterati will be familiar with "Twing!" as code for "I'm nearly in London!"
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Post by peterc on May 9, 2013 22:08:31 GMT
Mentioning Norfolk reminds me of Happisburgh pronounced Hazebruh
Then there is Mildenhall. The village in Suffolk is pronounced as the spelling but the one in Wiltshire is Mynal
Lets not start on Marylebone
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 5:41:13 GMT
Becontree is pronounced "Beck-on-tree" on the D78 DVA, whereas locals pronounce it "Bee-con-tree". That's because the DVA is correct, I grew up down the bottom of Heathway at Chequers, we all called it Beck-on-tree and only non-locals called it Bee-con-tree. Must have been a load of non-"Dag-nam"-ites (never Dag-en-ham) moved to the area and are pronouncing it wrong.
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Post by Chris M on May 10, 2013 6:23:14 GMT
That raises the slightly philosophical question of when it stops being wrong
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Post by class411 on May 10, 2013 6:39:44 GMT
Lets not start on Marylebone I always pronounce that 'Marie la-bon" in an attempt at French accent. Winds up my friends.
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