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Post by peterc on May 10, 2013 8:49:05 GMT
Having been brought up in Romford I agree with aslefshrugged on Becontree.
Reminds me of once being called a liar in a similar discussion another forum by somebody who had moved to Chesham and had never heard the traditional pronunciations. I know that there are other examples around London and the Home Counties of pronunciation changing due to large numbers of incomers to an area, unfortunately I am having a prolonged senior moment regarding the matter.
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Post by slugabed on May 10, 2013 13:07:23 GMT
I know that there are other examples around London and the Home Counties of pronunciation changing due to large numbers of incomers to an area, unfortunately I am having a prolonged senior moment regarding the matter. The one that springs to mind most readily is Heathfield in East Sussex...Pronounced by newcomers as it is spelled,to older residents it's still "Effle" but not for much longer,the tipping-point was around the time of the last war.
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Post by nickf on May 10, 2013 14:13:32 GMT
So...is it Shroze bury or Shrews bury?
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Post by Rich32 on May 10, 2013 15:04:15 GMT
Well I was always taught the former, so I think it's probably one of those that has evolved over time and the latter is more commonplace nowadays.
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Post by peterc on May 10, 2013 17:33:05 GMT
Shrewsbury - I believe that the public school is pronounced SHROWS-BURY and town is divided on the matter.
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Post by nickf on May 10, 2013 18:58:51 GMT
I have to admit that when I first began to work in London, I mispronounced Cadogan Square as Cad-oh-gan, with each syllable stressed equally. I was soon corrected to say Cuh DUG un. And I pronounced Portakabin as port-TAK-abin for a long time. I never went as far as making Radio Times sound like a Greek word, Radi-OT-i-meez, though.
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Post by slugabed on May 10, 2013 20:07:51 GMT
MORL-borough vs. MAHL-borough?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2013 21:21:01 GMT
I've always pronnounced Marylebone as "marell eh bone" but the DVA and most people I've heard say "mar lee bone"
Sticking to the eastern end of the District, I've often heard "upminister" rather than Upminster, the same extra I seems to pop up in Westminster too.
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Post by Rich32 on May 10, 2013 22:25:05 GMT
I've always pronnounced Marylebone as "marell eh bone" but the DVA and most people I've heard say "mar lee bone" I'm pleased to hear some else pronounces it the way I do.
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Post by Chris M on May 10, 2013 23:29:05 GMT
I've always pronnounced Marylebone as "marell eh bone" but the DVA and most people I've heard say "mar lee bone" "Mar-le-bone" is how I normally pronounce that station, although occasionally I'll come out with "mah-re-le-bone".
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Post by melikepie on May 11, 2013 11:48:20 GMT
Another one that should be heading this, not quite at the heart of the discussion but further down below is St Pancreas, er... I mean St Pancras. (remember saynt PAN-CRAS, not saynt pan-cre-us)
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Post by grahamhewett on May 11, 2013 15:05:39 GMT
Presumably with the extension of the Northern, we shall be able to say Bahtterseeya as well as Sinjuns Wood in the future?
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Post by Chris M on May 11, 2013 17:03:49 GMT
On my first or second trip on the new Overground SLL the train I was on was diverted after Wandsworth Road due to a signal failure. The driver advised us we would now be going to "Barsea Park"
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Post by melikepie on May 11, 2013 18:13:04 GMT
Presumably with the extension of the Northern, we shall be able to say Bahtterseeya as well as Sinjuns Wood in the future? GH I'm not sure I can see Batt pronounced Bart.
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Post by metrailway on May 11, 2013 18:15:12 GMT
I heard one person pronounce Amersham as A-mays-ham this week...
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Post by grahamhewett on May 11, 2013 20:56:25 GMT
Presumably with the extension of the Northern, we shall be able to say Bahtterseeya as well as Sinjuns Wood in the future? GH I'm not sure I can see Batt pronounced Bart. "Fraffly well spoken" is probably long out of print these days! G
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Post by class411 on May 12, 2013 7:28:37 GMT
Back when the announcements on BR were done live the porter who made the announcements at my local station always articulated Bromley South as Bromleys arrrf. Spoken in an RP accent this comes across as Bromely's Half, a name I use to this day.
When there was a spate of yuppies trying to make Clapham sound more gentrified by pronouncing it 'Clarm' I did try to start a trend to pronounce Chatham as Charm, but, sadly, it came to nothing.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 10:20:47 GMT
I've found there are two subtly different ways of saying "Greenwich" that both seem acceptable: "Grennitch" which most people use,and "Grinnitch" which seems to be used a lot by people who live there and,er,posh people. "Grinnidge" is quite commonly used by people who live here too. Sent from my HTC Desire using proboards
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Post by peterc on May 12, 2013 10:52:33 GMT
The "ham" element in a place name is often pronounced separately as in Witham (Essex) or Chesham (Bucks dialect) but I have never heard Amersham pronounced like that.
Battersea? Was that really Barsea or Ba'sea with a glottal stop? The former would be wrong, the latter perfectly good local dialect.
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Post by Chris M on May 12, 2013 11:11:38 GMT
Battersea? Was that really Barsea or Ba'sea with a glottal stop? The former would be wrong, the latter perfectly good local dialect. I think the former, but at this distance I can't remember (it was within days of the public opening of the line)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 12:04:53 GMT
The "ham" element in a place name is often pronounced separately as in Witham (Essex) or Chesham (Bucks dialect) but I have never heard Amersham pronounced like that. Battersea? Was that really Barsea or Ba'sea with a glottal stop? The former would be wrong, the latter perfectly good local dialect. The 'ham" in Amersham is usually pronounced with the 's' (Amer-sham) instead of it by itself (Amers-ham)
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Post by phillw48 on May 12, 2013 19:09:12 GMT
The "ham" element in a place name is often pronounced separately as in Witham (Essex) or Chesham (Bucks dialect) but I have never heard Amersham pronounced like that. Battersea? Was that really Barsea or Ba'sea with a glottal stop? The former would be wrong, the latter perfectly good local dialect. Witham is often pronounced Wit-am with a silent 'h'.
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Post by peterc on May 12, 2013 20:25:08 GMT
Did I say anything else? Elision is normal in "ham" place names.
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Post by Chris M on May 12, 2013 22:42:06 GMT
Indeed, there is Eastham (/i?st.?m/ "East'm") in Merseyside and Westham (presumably /w?st.?m/ "West'm") in Sussex, which are how you would expect the London East and West Ham (/i?st?hæm/, /w?st?hæm/) to be pronounced.
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Post by grahamhewett on May 13, 2013 7:37:51 GMT
Did I say anything else? Elision is normal in "ham" place names. Though the elision comes out in different ways eg "Bellingam" (Kent) and "Bellinjam" (Northumb).
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Post by southfieldschris on May 13, 2013 18:17:52 GMT
Might be a bit off-topic (sorry, am newbie, please forgive) but the recorded announcement on the District Line trains at Southfields which says "alight here for the Wimbledon Lawn Tennis Club" is technically correct as Southfields is the nearest station, but the Wimbledon Lawn Tennis Club is not the place where the Wimbledon Tennis Championships happen - that's the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club, on the opposite side of the road.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 20:18:08 GMT
Battersea? Was that really Barsea or Ba'sea with a glottal stop? The former would be wrong, the latter perfectly good local dialect. I think the former, but at this distance I can't remember (it was within days of the public opening of the line) [coff, coff] It's B'tersia, acksherley, old friut.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jun 9, 2013 22:55:54 GMT
It's B'tersia, acksherley, old friut. or even more upmarket - South Chelsea
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Post by railtechnician on Jun 10, 2013 15:12:56 GMT
Well I dunno if there's a station there but apparently High Ercall is locally known as High Ar-call.
Of course there's Wisbech pronounced Wisbeech.
Such is what makes British English possibly the most interesting language in the world with its roots derived from many other languages over centuries and similar sounding words having completely different independent derivations giving rise to so many anomalies of spelling and pronunciation. This perhaps also makes English the easiest language to communicate in orally but the most devilish to read and write and probably explains the high levels of poor literacy in the native UK population.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 21:07:01 GMT
There is a DLR PSA who has a slightly odd accent, presumably with a significant North American component to it, whose pronunciation of the "a" in places like "Stratford" and "Canning Town" is somewhere between the vowel in "cat" and that in "bay". He also pronounces the second "w" in Woolwich (wool-wich). I don't recall hearing him say "Greenwich" but presumably he pronounces the "w" in that too. When the ibus system was new it announced Loughton as "Loreton" (/?l???.t?n/?not /?la?.t?n/) (the first syllable rhymes with "cow" not "law"). Having never heard the word spoken, I initially thought the junction east of Tower Hill was pronounced "mine-ories" (/?ma?n. .i?z/)?rather than "minn-ories" (/?m?n. .i?z/) I know who you mean and I can guarantee you that he is not taking the 'mick'. Sometimes he even gives the departure time at Stanmore!!!g
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