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Post by cso on Mar 7, 2012 11:39:33 GMT
Even the Bakerloo Line lady T/Op was borderline, do ordinary travellers or even tourists want to hear her homespun wisdom? My housemate is probably, to all intents and purposes an 'ordinary traveller' and having the more personal touch to the announcements means that he actually listened to them...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 14:10:47 GMT
At my current station, a team of them turned up unannounced, and didn't even sign in with the supervisor. According to Rule Book 10, "revenue control inspectors" are not required to sign in with the Station Supervisor. Also, why would you grant permission to the filmmakers to be included in the film...assuming everyone's permission had been sought? On public property you do not need a person's permission to take their photograph. On private property (eg LUL) you may require the property owner's permission. Think of the photos of celebrities in compromising positions that red top newspapers like to publish, they certainly never gave permission. On the whole I've enjoyed this series, and I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it
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Post by jardine01 on Mar 7, 2012 15:45:09 GMT
That driver on the Bakerloo line was great however maybe being picky here but she spent more time looking out the window than seeing the track ahead! The piccadilly t/op was Ok but I would of much rather them showed us the Jubilee line cab in ATO SO far nothing has been filmed about the Jubilee line.
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Post by North End on Mar 7, 2012 16:14:55 GMT
I wasn't on screen that long ;D Seriously though, wouldn't you given the chance? Often this crew turned up out of the blue. Put yourself in the position that you want to try and demonstrate what you do, and try and demonstrate how hard it is - and nothing happens. The desire to look good sometimes ends up with the person looking a little strange. Had the incident not happened on my shift, we would have had a few minutes of us making small talk, and no doubt similarly embarrassing quotes would have been evident. There was certainly a chunk of conversation I am very happy they cut out. 80% - 90% of my colleagues and I refused to be filmed when the film crew repeatedly turned up. The agreement was we would be filmed from behind or in long-shot but not directly. I think many of us didn't want to get caught out saying something deemed off-message, or un-PC, with potential consequences later if the footage went out. It was actually quite intimidating to have the production team hanging around for hours on end (hoping that something would break or someone would jump under a train), and a great relief to all when they packed up and went! No feet up, no ties off, no food on the desk, no newspapers - even though nothing was happening! (Quite right too, I hear some say!) Fortunately, they were only really interested in interviewing staff of Duty Manager grade or above, and LU was clearly happy to steer them in that direction. I've not had the experience of a film crew turning up on me, however some of my colleagues have had it happen when dealing with incidents. They were not happy about the unannounced intrusion in to their working day, and it was felt that the incident (in this case a "one under") took longer to resolve because of the film crew being present. You also get the issue that the crew are anxious to secure their "take", resulting in inappropriate things being done - e.g. trying to interview a driver who has just had someone jump in front of their train.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 17:31:26 GMT
That driver on the Bakerloo line was great however maybe being picky here but she spent more time looking out the window than seeing the track ahead! The piccadilly t/op was Ok but I would of much rather them showed us the Jubilee line cab in ATO SO far nothing has been filmed about the Jubilee line. Im glad the Jubilee has not been in the limelight as everyone knows about it and what it does and thats its all ATO etc, was glad they did the Piccadilly as thats quite an underdog line I guess
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Post by Tubeboy on Mar 7, 2012 17:57:19 GMT
At my current station, a team of them turned up unannounced, and didn't even sign in with the supervisor. According to Rule Book 10, "revenue control inspectors" are not required to sign in with the Station Supervisor. Uniformed ones are, they were the ones to whom I was referring. I should have made it clearer. As for the staff featured the other night, I agree with 21146, fame wannabes.
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Post by citysig on Mar 7, 2012 19:23:42 GMT
Very interesting to see what the Met Control Room looks like these days, it's almost all different from when I last worked in it about 23 years ago! I note, however, that while everything else appears to have been updated you are still living with the desk suite that we installed as a replacement for the original GRP desks which we changed out circa 1989. Personally I changed out all the Cobourg St Vic and Northern control & info desks which I know have been replaced since and at Baker Street my brief was to sort out the issues arising from the replacement and tidy up all the kit in the back of the suite. It really doesn't seem as long ago as that but it is! The main part of the desk is, as you say, the same as it would've been when you were there. The rest has merely been tacked on (or dumped on) the original base. We're currently undergoing a "refit" or "tidy up" and I'm sure you noticed what an impact it has made so far - not.
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Post by citysig on Mar 7, 2012 19:28:39 GMT
I've not had the experience of a film crew turning up on me, however some of my colleagues have had it happen when dealing with incidents. They were not happy about the unannounced intrusion in to their working day, and it was felt that the incident (in this case a "one under") took longer to resolve because of the film crew being present. You also get the issue that the crew are anxious to secure their "take", resulting in inappropriate things being done - e.g. trying to interview a driver who has just had someone jump in front of their train. Whilst I suppose it is true that film crews could cause potential problems, as far as I was concerned this particular crew seemed very responsible, which is probably why the series this far has come across much better than the previous ITV version (or the C4 "I'll take the money but it's dreadful to work here" version). None of the incidents I dealt with whilst they were there were affected or exacerbated by their presence. You can't really blame them for wanting to try and get certain shots. 6 hours of us simply sat there doing nothing, stations and trains running right time, wouldn't really make appealing television to the majority. Yes there would be those of us on here who have an interest in the first place, but this did have to appeal to what is a fairly peak audience slot (albeit on BBC2).
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Post by citysig on Mar 7, 2012 19:31:48 GMT
As for the staff featured the other night, I agree with 21146, fame wannabes. Certainly not where I was sat. It has given me chance to briefly show my family and friends what I do for a living, but other than that, keep the fame thing. I neither need it nor want it. I'm sure the others featured - however they came across - merely revelled in their 5 minutes of attention. In a company such as ours, who knows, it could be the first time in ages someone has actually paid the individuals concerned some attention, and of course they're going to revel in it a bit.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 7, 2012 19:51:34 GMT
As for the staff featured the other night, I agree with 21146, fame wannabes. To a certain extent this is inevitable when there is a self-selecting pool of people from whom the program makers can chose who to feature. When you have a large number of people, it is possible to divide them into three broad categories, those who are interested in fame and/or promoting themselves, those who are indifferent, and those who do not want to put themselves forward in this way. Given a free choice and the absence of other issues, almost none of those in the last group will agree to being filmed, and so will never be featured. In the same circumstances most of the first group will agree to being followed and filmed. People in the middle group will go both ways, but those who would agree are less likely to come to the attention of the program makers than those who actively seek them out. So even if people from the "willing" pool are selected randomly, there will be an over-representation of fame-seekers relative to the organisation as a whole. Also, particularly for the front-line roles, LU actively recruits in favour of people who are confident and outgoing personalities, and this will lead to the organisation employing relatively fewer people who would put themselves in the third group than can be found in society at large (I'm thinking principally of diffident and shy people, who are unlikely to last long in a working environment like the tube). Due to the episodes focusing on different roles, there will be a different proportion of fame-seekers in each. For example, someone with a socially gregarious personality (and thus someone who is more likely than average to be a fame-seeker) is generally going to be much happier in a people-focused environment such as CSA than they are working nights doing track renewals.
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Post by alfie on Mar 7, 2012 19:56:16 GMT
Frankly, the Piccadilly Line T/Op, and Bakerloo Line CSA, were plain embarrassing. Even the Bakerloo Line lady T/Op was borderline, do ordinary travellers or even tourists want to hear her homespun wisdom? How about those two Central Line T/Ops? The guys interview about his experience with Person Under Train incidents wasn't eccentric at all..rather, he's doing his job, and telling you the reality of what can happen..
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Post by kabsonline on Mar 7, 2012 21:32:53 GMT
Frankly, the Piccadilly Line T/Op, and Bakerloo Line CSA, were plain embarrassing. Even the Bakerloo Line lady T/Op was borderline, do ordinary travellers or even tourists want to hear her homespun wisdom? How about those two Central Line T/Ops? The guys interview about his experience with Person Under Train incidents wasn't eccentric at all..rather, he's doing his job, and telling you the reality of what can happen.. I think the guy at Warwick Avenue was great as well as the Bakerloo lady. If these people behave in this way everyday, what's the problem? They are happy and make others happy! Why go round being miserable all the time? It's ridiculous! ;D
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Post by 21146 on Mar 8, 2012 0:18:08 GMT
Frankly, the Piccadilly Line T/Op, and Bakerloo Line CSA, were plain embarrassing. Even the Bakerloo Line lady T/Op was borderline, do ordinary travellers or even tourists want to hear her homespun wisdom? How about those two Central Line T/Ops? The guys interview about his experience with Person Under Train incidents wasn't eccentric at all..rather, he's doing his job, and telling you the reality of what can happen.. One of these seemed to be "driving" - well, in the cab of a moving train, with his finger hovering over an emergency stop button; which seems a bit worrying.
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Post by Chris M on Mar 8, 2012 0:28:19 GMT
Why? I'd much rather a driver accidentally initiate an emergency stop when one wasn't warranted than not set it in motion quick enough when it is.
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Post by citysig on Mar 8, 2012 0:39:26 GMT
One of these seemed to be "driving" - well, in the cab of a moving train, with his finger hovering over an emergency stop button; which seems a bit worrying. Given his past experience (which he was explaining) perhaps the need to be "cautious" as he approached a station (which he was doing) is pretty much justified. Indeed he was in the cab of a moving train, which he was in charge of, and was ably qualified to drive in the event the ATO system failed. He also demonstrated by his actions that he would give it his best shot to stop the train should he need to in an emergency. Which part of this was "worrying"
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Post by jardine01 on Mar 8, 2012 7:32:03 GMT
I just think of the central line being a semi automatic line when I go to East Acton station trains seem to be nearly always in Coded Manual mode.
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Post by v52gc on Mar 8, 2012 8:42:23 GMT
One of these seemed to be "driving" - well, in the cab of a moving train, with his finger hovering over an emergency stop button; which seems a bit worrying. AFAIK this is what you're meant to do. In the Vic Line drivers eye view Blu Ray they mention it.
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Post by auxsetreq on Mar 8, 2012 14:33:47 GMT
One of these seemed to be "driving" - well, in the cab of a moving train, with his finger hovering over an emergency stop button; which seems a bit worrying. AFAIK this is what you're meant to do. In the Vic Line drivers eye view Blu Ray they mention it. No, not really. As HRH The Queen would say - There's an easier and more comfortable way, for the Central Line at least. Dunno about the Vic. One's arm is nonchalantly resting on one's arm rest. Which is why it's called an arm rest. For an instant emergency brake all one has to do is move one's arm/elbow combo forward to knock out the TBC. Far quicker, practical and comfier* than leaning forward and having one's hand on the train's emergency stop plunger pulse so to speak.......... *Unless one hits one's royal funny bone...........
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 14:36:35 GMT
I am really enjoying this programme and the people featured in it. The Drivers from the Pic & Bakerloo were in my opinion brilliant - It's people like that who brighten up peoples days - maybe giving them a little smile on their usually boring journey to work. The station chap from Warwick Avenue?? also came across really well. Someone that actually cares and actually wants to interact with passengers. Well done to all concerned so far.
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Post by v52gc on Mar 8, 2012 18:40:49 GMT
AFAIK this is what you're meant to do. In the Vic Line drivers eye view Blu Ray they mention it. No, not really. As HRH The Queen would say - There's an easier and more comfortable way, for the Central Line at least. Dunno about the Vic. One's arm is nonchalantly resting on one's arm rest. Which is why it's called an arm rest. For an instant emergency brake all one has to do is move one's arm/elbow combo forward to knock out the TBC. Far quicker, practical and comfier* than leaning forward and having one's hand on the train's emergency stop plunger pulse so to speak.......... *Unless one hits one's royal funny bone........... Thanks for the clarification
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Post by v52gc on Mar 8, 2012 18:42:15 GMT
Im glad the Jubilee has not been in the limelight as everyone knows about it and what it does and thats its all ATO etc, was glad they did the Piccadilly as thats quite an underdog line I guess Tut, tut, tut, the Picc is the best line on the system, the Picc driver was spot on there! Couldn't agree more with that one ;D
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Post by norbitonflyer on Mar 8, 2012 22:21:52 GMT
As HRH The Queen would say - oooh, lese majeste! (excuse lack of accents) Her Majesty hasn't been styled HRH for sixty years - all members of the Royal Family are HRH except the Queen, who is HM
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Post by Chris M on Mar 8, 2012 23:19:20 GMT
all members of the Royal Family are HRH except the Queen, who is HM Unless they married into it and then get divorced. They loose the HRH (unless they were entitled to it in their own right), but it's debatable (AIUI) whether they remain part of the Royal Family.
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Post by londonstuff on Mar 12, 2012 21:39:15 GMT
Ooh, ooh, ooh, I just saw Charlie on telly at Seven Sisters
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 21:41:39 GMT
I was just about to enquire if any of those interviewed on the Vic just then were some of this lovely forums members!
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Post by superteacher on Mar 12, 2012 21:49:58 GMT
Had texts off people to say they spotted me on the programme! Have Sky plused it, so haven't seen my ugly mug yet! I wasn't interviewed though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 22:11:31 GMT
I was just about to enquire if any of those interviewed on the Vic just then were some of this lovely forums members! Yes! widerrangevideos, bronzeonion, antje and matbaxter
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 22:32:49 GMT
As Juliang pointed out, btw I am the one with long hair in grey polo shirt. Can be seen through cab window when 247 is arriving at Seven Sisters, aswell as when some of my friends were getting interviewed, I was the one sitting in the longditual seat nearest the door.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 23:07:21 GMT
good to see so many forum members in tonights show!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 23:16:59 GMT
For anyone that cares, I am the person who was sticking on of bronzeonions posters to the window and speaking to the presenter wearing the Purple T shirt and Black cardigan.
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