Warning: Don't get trapped in train doors

Retep, (without trying to sound like a backseat moderator) I really don't think your post should have been made.

I doubt there's anybody that actively participates and/or reads this site that doesn't know that the pilot light door proving has it's limitations.

All you're doing is giving the Evening Substandard petrol to pour on a magnesium fire... they will do anything to sensationalise things, just like the recent Jubilee Line broken shoebeam story. Which in itself is really a non-story. The media do read these forums..

There is a warning on the doors. "Obstructing the doors may be dangerous" - and it's quite obvious that getting something trapped in the doors may well be too, especially on platform side.

Unfortunately the limitations of the screen size and video quality make it impossible to check for this, especially in the peaks, where people will be right up to near the edges of the platform anyway. That's where sensitive edges come in on 09s and AIUI the S stock as well.

I take a different view, there is nothing wrong with Retep's posting which highlights unfortunate incidents except that his emphasis is wrong.

It is impossible to protect people from their own actions all the time. It is a sad fact that people expect to be looked after even when they fail to use common sense and come to grief as a result.
LUL has bent over backwards in so many ways to obviate needless accidents but passengers wilfully force themselves into potentially unsafe positions in the peaks and must be held responsible for their own actions.

There is no need whatsoever for trains to be overcrowded or for platforms to be overcrowded, they become so because passengers in general are thoughtless individuals rushing hither and thither instead of planning their journeys with waiting time to allow for the congestion that inevitably occurs when thousands of passengers all decide to arrive at a station at the same time.

I cannot understand how anyone can get caught in train doors on the outside of a train unless they were trying to force themselves into a packed one as the doors were closing. Common sense and patience are prerequisites for the commuter, lack of either is not the fault of LUL.

Yeah they'll soon begin squeaking when they get caught and go for a quick ride along the platform!

Yet they still dont listen

No no, but if all trains ran on time I doubt we'd have as much crowding etc

Ah, I wondered what that sign at Eastcote was for, asking drivers to take care to let elderly people alight/board...

Simple answer, carry the rucksack in your hand, don't stick over your shoulder. You’re going to work not attempting the difficult north face of the Eiger. People wearing rucksacks on their backs on public transport take up twice as much room as normal and are always obstructing doors because people forget they are that much bigger with them on.

I agree with Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz; “Death’s too good for them”.

Accidents happen, it's unfortunate but true. The same thing happens with buses and National Rail trains. Sometimes people die as a result of an unfortunate set of circumstances, mostly they are the authors of their own misfortune.

There are sections of the media that actively try to shock the public about all forms of life from "Bacon causes cancer" to "Paper. Are your children safe?" They carry adverts for ambulance chasing legal firms but are first to highlight when over-cautious authorities and public service companies bring in rules to minimise the threat of legal action. "Health and Safety gone mad".

We are talking about an industry that has very flimsy moral code (phone hacking, chasing famous people to their death, entrapment) and will happily sensationalize anything to sell copy. I really don't think we should be throwing scraps on their table.

Putting passenger useable Emergency Stop Buttons on the platforms will be a good idea to help - They were tried with great success on the Victoria Line, and subsequently introduced onto the Central Line in around 1992. Even the Hong Kong Metro has them these days - maybe it's a good idea to fit them to the Jubilee line, now that has ATO on it....

Really? I thought that the button would bring the train to hault as they are only on the ATO lines just incase the driver isnt paying as much attention to whats ahead than on a manual line.

I seem to remember a while ago someone being caught in the doors of a 95 at Euston. The driver got really annoyed and cut out the csde mcb. He then drove a short distance down the platform, stopped opened the door again and then carried on as normal.. I bet she never did that again!

Yes the ops room has Code Destroyer Plungers but it also has Tunnel Telephone Plungers which usually look no different, both being Craig & Derricot plungers. However, other lines also have emergency T/T plungers in the ops rooms, for instance there are/were eight at Leicester Square.

This was quite a jaw-dropping pair of paragraphs!

Describing passengers in general as "thoughtless individuals" just because we need to (and indeed pay to) use public transport at peak times? That seems to suggest the vast majority of people who start their daily work schedule at around the same time are somehow supposed to find a magic moment when things aren't incredibly busy in the rush hour. Unless those thousands of passengers are to be issued with some WTT to help spread themselves out across a time period I'm not at all following how we are supposed to plan as you suggest!

If it is true that there is "no need whatsoever" for platforms to be overcrowded then it's probably worth a reminder that passengers often can't tell the situation until getting to the bottom of the escalator or stairs. In some stations there is, at that point, little or no way to go back upstairs again without first entering the platform and so there would be no way to avoid adding to the crowd. Controlling flow of passengers at ticket hall level is surely the only practical way and that is something *only* the staff can do.

Now to address the second paragraph - as I was boarding a train a couple of weeks ago a number of people entered the carriage ahead of me. There was clearly still space inside, but just after I had entered I was pushed backwards by several tourists trying to get out (I won't blame them for this - they were clearly unfamiliar with the system). I found myself in the situation of stepping back through the doors just as the warning beeps started and I was then faced with a very fast choice to make of getting out or trying to stay on. The doors closed quickly with me mostly outside and - mercifully - opened again. Of course then the tourists still wanted to get out so I just stepped back and, giving myself time to recover from the sudden and scary moment, let them through and watched the train go without me.

I shudder to think that it might be considered ok to "drive on a bit", or for anyone to punish or blame me in some way for reacting to a situation like that - and on behalf of the many who will have been in such a position but not have read your post here's something that I thought would be considered "common sense":

the person stuck in the doors isn't always being an idiot!