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Post by undergroundwomble on Apr 14, 2011 22:39:28 GMT
Hello, I was looking at alsefshrugged's blog where he has been documenting the adventures of Shelix the cat, and I was wondering how common it was for stations to have cats living on or near them?
I seem to remember on one of the documentaries about the tube there was one station which an official cat to help keep rats down, does anybody know which station it was?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2011 22:47:45 GMT
Quite a number of National Rail stations, certainly in their heyday had, or do still have cats that roam the station. Quite odd to see that the cat uses the subway or footbridge to cross the line.
When I lived in Canterbury, the West station had a cat, that used to wait outside the buffet most mornings, and then used to mingle with the passengers and generally sit on the platforms, looking up at the canopy where birds were nesting. The cat never did try and climb the stancions!
Cats will tend to be more common than you think on urban stations! They know where a good supply of food will be, be it leftovers from passengers or chasing rats along signalling troughs and under platforms!
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 14, 2011 23:53:05 GMT
Hello, I was looking at alsefshrugged's blog where he has been documenting the adventures of Shelix the cat, and I was wondering how common it was for stations to have cats living on or near them? I seem to remember on one of the documentaries about the tube there was one station which an official cat to help keep rats down, does anybody know which station it was? Thanks In bygone days it was quite common for stations to have cats, LT used to provide an allowance for the upkeep of a cat. I can recall Farringdon signal cabin having I think four cats, they used to bask on the windowsills in the summer. Barbican had a cat which used to hug the UTS gates for warmth in the wee small hours in the winter and at Arnos Grove we continued to feed the cat which stayed in the old cabin and offices areas when staff were relocated to the newly built Ash House offices. I recall a cat at Kennington station in the late 1970s. These being the cats that I happen to recall as I saw them frequently but I know that many stations kept cats. At one time LT employed ratcatchers who used ferrets to keep the rat population down. These days containers full of rat bait are seen all over LT both within stations and offices and externally. There are said to be more rats on the Underground than passengers and that is probably true, they live in many nooks and crannies and even inside equipment, I can recall finding nests inside telephone equipment in station kiosks as well as plenty of dead ones in various areas of stations. They tend to stay off the platforms during traffic hours but when it's nice and quiet in the wee small hours out they come scavenging and some of them are bigger than cats and can be quite intimidating for those not used to seeing them.
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Post by Ben on Apr 15, 2011 0:55:15 GMT
I wonder if a list of LT stations that had cats could be compiled? An interesting topic.
Think an annecdote about Uxbridges came up on here a while ago? Was apparently fat, lazy, and very friendly!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 7:41:24 GMT
North Acton certain had one around 5 years back.
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 15, 2011 8:38:18 GMT
There was a station cat at Barking that used to cross the live rail by jumping over the live rail, until one morning some one called him as he was about to jump and he came in contact with both the live rail and the running rail.
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Post by slugabed on Apr 15, 2011 9:01:39 GMT
I wonder if a list of LT stations that had cats could be compiled? An interesting topic. Should we publish the "London Transport Cat-Spotter's Guide"? Home station,preferred locations,name and photo..... Sure to be a seller,and would make front-page of the free papers on a quiet day...
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 15, 2011 9:13:20 GMT
There was a station cat at Barking that used to cross the live rail by jumping over the live rail, until one morning some one called him as he was about to jump and he came in contact with both the live rail and the running rail. ISTR that one of the Farringdon cats had a fatal fall from the signal cabin window ledge. The Kennington cat was allegedly shot by a member of engineering staff with an air rifle one night. The station had a terrible rat problem and the cat was mistaken for one of the larger rats as it ran along a cable bracket run in the dim light. Large rats would often be seen running along the cable runs in engineering hours, especially on the Northern Line.
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Post by tubeprune on Apr 15, 2011 17:18:31 GMT
Uxbridge had a cat. We used to feed him on nights. He was a sort of off-white + marmalade mix. Typical railway breed!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 17:21:03 GMT
Certainly seen a couple either scooting along platforms, Eastcote and Roding Valley come to my immediate mind, and have seen plenty of them trackside between open air stations!
I know also, from reading a book that back in the late 70's there was a cat at Leicester Square, nice brown cat...
I guess they must get used to the environment, noise etc.
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Post by citysig on Apr 15, 2011 20:17:07 GMT
In bygone days it was quite common for stations to have cats, LT used to provide an allowance for the upkeep of a cat. I can recall Farringdon signal cabin having I think four cats, they used to bask on the windowsills in the summer. I'll ignore the word "bygone" as it wasn't that long ago (or was it ;D ) One of those cats at Farringdon met an unfortunate fate underneath an outer-rail Circle. I'm not sure if this was another version of the story for the loss of one of the cats, or if both events happened. At Hammersmith cabin we had 2 cats (named Mouser and Blackie) and indeed got the aforementioned allowance for food etc - although as time went on the allowance didn't exactly cover much more than a couple of tins of food. One cat ended up retiring with one of the signallers that left us, and the other was adopted by the nearby police station - not on purpose, but obviously their food was of better quality than what we could provide ;D
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 15, 2011 22:03:30 GMT
In bygone days it was quite common for stations to have cats, LT used to provide an allowance for the upkeep of a cat. I can recall Farringdon signal cabin having I think four cats, they used to bask on the windowsills in the summer. I'll ignore the word "bygone" as it wasn't that long ago (or was it ;D ) One of those cats at Farringdon met an unfortunate fate underneath an outer-rail Circle. I'm not sure if this was another version of the story for the loss of one of the cats, or if both events happened. At Hammersmith cabin we had 2 cats (named Mouser and Blackie) and indeed got the aforementioned allowance for food etc - although as time went on the allowance didn't exactly cover much more than a couple of tins of food. One cat ended up retiring with one of the signallers that left us, and the other was adopted by the nearby police station - not on purpose, but obviously their food was of better quality than what we could provide ;D Bygone because I hadn't seen a station cat except the one at Arnos Grove for several years before I retired in 2005 and also because I didn't think the allowance was still paid! I think the Farringdon stories are one and the same, I really couldn't recall whrther the cat was run over or electrocuted, only that it was asleep and fell from the windowsill to its death, this was some 25 years ago now.
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Post by causton on Apr 15, 2011 23:10:55 GMT
An allowance? is that still paid now?
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Post by DWS on Apr 16, 2011 7:57:02 GMT
An allowance? is that still paid now? No ;D
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Post by citysig on Apr 16, 2011 13:04:35 GMT
Bygone because I hadn't seen a station cat except the one at Arnos Grove for several years before I retired in 2005 and also because I didn't think the allowance was still paid! I think all the cabin cats had gone by the late 1990s. The allowance had stopped just before - or had simply disappeared owing to newer staff simply not knowing about it. I highlighted the word bygone because, although it was some years ago, and although I remember it like yesterday, I'd rather not admit to being on the job in the "bygone days" ;D ;D
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 16, 2011 14:24:42 GMT
Bygone because I hadn't seen a station cat except the one at Arnos Grove for several years before I retired in 2005 and also because I didn't think the allowance was still paid! I think all the cabin cats had gone by the late 1990s. The allowance had stopped just before - or had simply disappeared owing to newer staff simply not knowing about it. I highlighted the word bygone because, although it was some years ago, and although I remember it like yesterday, I'd rather not admit to being on the job in the "bygone days" ;D ;D Haha! that's nothing to worry about at all, just wait until you become a 'hasbeen' like me especially as I'm still seven years short of current official retirement age.
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Post by 21146 on Apr 16, 2011 16:03:44 GMT
Wasn't one of the Farringdon animals cat-napped?
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Post by alex92ts on Apr 16, 2011 16:37:36 GMT
Don't think i've ever seen a rat on the Underground before. Seen a couple of mice once running beneath the tracks at one of the deep-level stations somewhere. Although, I've never been on the tube late at night or early in the morning, when you are probably more likely to see them. And there are rats bigger than cats on the Tube?? I hope you are exaggerating lol.
Back to the subject of cats, I know Roydon in Herts has a station cat, and i'm pretty sure Theydon Bois on the Central has one at some point. Don't think i've ever seen any wildlife at Loughton though (although plenty of pond life!! ;D )
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Post by phillw48 on Apr 16, 2011 16:57:40 GMT
You will see plenty of foxes Elm Park-Hornchurch-Upminster Bridge-Upminster.
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 16, 2011 19:35:49 GMT
Don't think i've ever seen a rat on the Underground before. Seen a couple of mice once running beneath the tracks at one of the deep-level stations somewhere. Although, I've never been on the tube late at night or early in the morning, when you are probably more likely to see them. And there are rats bigger than cats on the Tube?? I hope you are exaggerating lol. Back to the subject of cats, I know Roydon in Herts has a station cat, and i'm pretty sure Theydon Bois on the Central has one at some point. Don't think i've ever seen any wildlife at Loughton though (although plenty of pond life!! ;D ) If you haven't seen a rat on the Underground you haven't lived, there are plenty of indigenous beings extant, pigeons, rats, mice, hedgehogs, foxes, cockroaches, mosquitos living out of site most of the day. When I mention rats as big as cats I do not exagerate. At Aldgate the rats would stalk anyone visiting the old telephone exchange, it's the IMR nowadays. At Whitechapel carrying sandwiches and leaving a bag containing them on a bench while working was a no-no. The rats would leave their teeth marks in anything they hadn't completely devoured. One night at Camden Town back in the 1970s we sat down on a track trolley to drink our tea at about 0300 and a massive rat appeared from the tunnel cable run, one chap got up and legged it, he was new to the job! Rats are seen in the day time, I used to work at the South Woodford training school in the early 1980s, one lunchtime I looked out of the window as it was pouring with rain and saw a large rat running along the air main, it was literally a 'drowned rat'. At Kennington we used to have to pour gallons of disinfectant in some of the duct route joint boxes because the stench of dead rats was too strong. In some of the station rooms that I worked in the rats would come out if one turned the lights out and kept quiet for a few minutes, switching them on again would allow one just long enough to see the tails disappear into nooks and crannies in the walls! Rats of course can pass leptospirosis to humans via their urine. At Earls Court the cockroaches were rife in the old signal school but they were seldom seen with the lights on. One enterprising school assistant numbered each one he caught over a couple of days and worked out the average infestation rate to something horrendous. Hedgehogs used to get caught in switches and cause point failures in various surface areas, foxes reguilarly appeared at Acton town and Ealing Common. hedgehogs of course carry fleas, they don't live very well without them. Mice generally lived in offices like Earls Court control room but I can recall several stations with mice, generally rats and mice did not seem to live in the same places and one of the Claphams had white mice living in the platform invert, they used to appear in the suicide pit in engineering hours. Mosquitos are found in various places where there are stagnant pools such as beneath platforms, around sumps etc, I have been nipped by them at kings Cross and Liverpool Street when working beneath tube platforms. Pigeons of course are everywhere, they are even passengers sometimes taking a train from Edgware Road to Baker Street and back again! We used to call them flying rats, they are vermin and can give people nasty lung disorders via their droppings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 10:04:55 GMT
Quite a few mainline locations had a cat too. There was one at Barnes that I took a picture of while I was waiting for the Isle of Wight 'Standard' stock move mentioned elsewhere in 1990. It was called 'Roger' after the Beano character 'Roger the Dodger'. He was so called because he didn't quite dodge quickly enough one day and a 455 took his tail! I've also mentioned elsewhere another nameless location that also had feline residency. The note on the Drivers room wall at the time deserves mentioning again though. 'For reasons of security would all Drivers leaving this room please ensure they lock the external door with a BR 1 key... P.S. Leave the window open for the cat!'.
From memory Eastleigh works used company money to provide cat food as they felt it was worth every penny to stop rats. It must have been effective as I cannot recall ever having seen one in there. Some of the names given to cats on the railways ammuse as well although there are some that cannot be repeated here! The origins of these names are sometimes lost too. Bescot had a scruffy white cat called 'Kosovo'.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 15:42:29 GMT
Roger The Dodger was made famous in a certain video. Apparently, he wasn't impressed with NSE's performance in 1990. When interviewed, he nonchalantly sauntered up the platform, no doubt to find sanctuary in the booking office/staff room.
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Post by citysig on Apr 17, 2011 19:49:07 GMT
If you haven't seen a rat on the Underground you haven't lived, there are plenty of indigenous beings extant, pigeons, rats, mice, hedgehogs, foxes, cockroaches, mosquitos living out of site most of the day. We had cockroaches for a time in Hammersmith cabin just behind the fridge (the cats used to play with them ;D ). As for everything else, switch on the CCTV to somewhere like Chesham early on a summer morning and all those will be seen on the platform or just beside the track. Pigeons of course are everywhere, they are even passengers sometimes taking a train from Edgware Road to Baker Street and back again! The times I've shared the car with them, and they always know which platform the train will go into at Edgware Road. They move to the correct side.
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Post by suncloud on Apr 17, 2011 21:32:02 GMT
The CCTV must be good if it's picking up on mosquitos As a passenger I've not seen any rats on the underground, but often see mice at places like Oxford Circus when getting a late train...
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Post by citysig on Apr 18, 2011 15:08:45 GMT
The CCTV must be good if it's picking up on mosquitos You clearly haven't seen the size of some of the mosquitos we get in London
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 16:23:09 GMT
'Roger The Dodger's' star appearance was in Railscenes 'BR 90' tape. I was navigating for the guy who filmed him! Look back at that tape now and see how much of the railway then still exists! I bet poor old Roger transferred to that station cat vacancy in the sky many years ago!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 22:20:12 GMT
And there are rats bigger than cats on the Tube?? I hope you are exaggerating lol. You reminded me of this! "Fleas the size of rats sucked on rats the size of cats, And ten thousand peoploids split into small tribes, Coveting the highest of the sterile skyscrapers, Like packs of dogs assaulting the glass fronts of Love-Me Avenue, Ripping and rewrapping mink and shiny silver fox, now legwarmers, Family badge of sapphire and cracked emerald in the day of the dog....... The year of the diamond dog.......
This aint rock and roll, this is genocide!"Our Mr. Jones should have done Eurovision with it...... And Stig, I recall several feral cats at North Acton c.1983. Nasty little buggers they were!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2011 15:07:57 GMT
'Roger The Dodger's' star appearance was in Railscenes 'BR 90' tape. I was navigating for the guy who filmed him! Look back at that tape now and see how much of the railway then still exists! I bet poor old Roger transferred to that station cat vacancy in the sky many years ago! I have the very video... hence my very succinct reference! Yes... one to look back on and reminisce about such joyful days.
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Post by afarlie on Apr 30, 2011 15:34:47 GMT
Don't think i've ever seen a rat on the Underground before. Seen a couple of mice once running beneath the tracks at one of the deep-level stations somewhere. Although, I've never been on the tube late at night or early in the morning, when you are probably more likely to see them. And there are rats bigger than cats on the Tube?? I hope you are exaggerating lol. [/qoute] Do you get bats in old liftshafts? ( And I don't mean Gappe bats... )
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Post by railtechnician on Apr 30, 2011 17:54:26 GMT
Don't think i've ever seen a rat on the Underground before. Seen a couple of mice once running beneath the tracks at one of the deep-level stations somewhere. Although, I've never been on the tube late at night or early in the morning, when you are probably more likely to see them. And there are rats bigger than cats on the Tube?? I hope you are exaggerating lol. [/qoute] Do you get bats in old liftshafts? ( And I don't mean Gappe bats... ) I've never seen a bat on the Underground but I'd be loathe to suggest that there are none, I've seen all sorts of things, perhaps worst of all were the wasps that nested in one of the power rooms, one of my guvs was well stung when trying to change over a signalling power supply in an emergency a few years ago. I've worked in many of the lift shafts, both in use and disused, vent shafts too and cable shafts but never come across a bat.
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