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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 22:34:12 GMT
At the end of November 2010, the following units were still on the line:
'A' - 3003, 3005, 3007, 3011, 3022, 3026, 3028, 3029, 3034, 3035, 3041, 3047. 3050, 3054, 3056 - Total 15.
'D' - 3106, 3110, 3114, 3121, 3123, 3127, 3132, 3133, 3139, 3140, 3149, 3155, 3181, 3182, 3184, 3185, 3186 - Total 17.
A/D - 3058, 3059, 3060, 3061, 3062, 3067, 3069, 3070, 3071, 3072, 3073, 3074, 3075, 3076, 3078, 3079 - Total 16.
With a total of 48 units, this makes a possible 24 trains to be formed.
However, 3 more trains are due to leave NPD during December which will bring it down to 21 trains of 1967/72 Stock.
For the record, Trains 3-22 inclusive of 2009 Tube Stock had been commissioned for service by the end of November, with Train 23 recently delivered.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 7, 2010 0:21:20 GMT
Thanks reganorak and superteacher! I've updated the list.Withdrawn in October: 3045, 3183, 3020, 3166 These units must have gone in November (seen in service last month, but not in reganorak's list): 3102, 3104, 3024, 3037, 3042, 3180. If 6 more units are being withdrawn this month, the production rate of 09TS seems to be a bit more than one every two weeks.
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Post by Rich32 on Dec 7, 2010 3:26:30 GMT
For the record, Trains 3-22 inclusive of 2009 Tube Stock had been commissioned for service by the end of November, with Train 23 recently delivered. Train 23 was in service yesterday (6th Dec).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2010 9:59:23 GMT
3102, 3104, 3024, 3037, 3042, 3180 have indeed "gone" (from NPD).
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Post by superteacher on Dec 8, 2010 21:09:53 GMT
Seems to be about 3 2009 stocks being delivered per month at the moment, which would hasten the end of the 1967 stock by a couple of months. I reckon July 2011 - let's hope they give them a decent send off. Do we know what units will be staying until the end? With the A stock, there seems to be a planned withdrawal schedule, not sure if the same is true for the 1967's.
Incidentally, is this the first LU stock to be withdrawn since DD's forum was created. If so, with some advance notice, we should be able to get a good crowd for the last 67.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2010 22:13:31 GMT
Seems to be about 3 2009 stocks being delivered per month at the moment, which would hasten the end of the 1967 stock by a couple of months. I reckon July 2011 - let's hope they give them a decent send off. Brown stuff will hit the fan if there are many left then - I'm sure the first closure is July for signalling asset replacement (after this, 67 Stock will no longer be able to go into service because some of the coded tracks will have gone). There needs to be enough 09's there to support that.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 8, 2010 22:35:19 GMT
Seems to be about 3 2009 stocks being delivered per month at the moment, which would hasten the end of the 1967 stock by a couple of months. I reckon July 2011 - let's hope they give them a decent send off. Brown stuff will hit the fan if there are many left then - I'm sure the first closure is July for signalling asset replacement (after this, 67 Stock will no longer be able to go into service because some of the coded tracks will have gone). There needs to be enough 09's there to support that. Would probably need 41-42 2009 stocks to consistently run a 37 train service, so if the current rate of delivery is maintained, they should make the July deadline you mentioned.
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Post by malcolmffc on Dec 9, 2010 1:07:11 GMT
What further work needs to be done on the VLU other than delivering the '09s and scrapping the 67s?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 23:05:24 GMT
What further work needs to be done on the VLU other than delivering the '09s and scrapping the 67s? Whats known as Signalling Asset Replacement and full handover to the new control centre. Asset replacement is the removal of old signalling assets (currently interface relays are used in the old IMRs to pass train detection information to the new SERs), installation of new track circuits, signalling and block marker boards to a new design (which will give the improved capability). This happens over a series of closures, section by section.
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Post by tealeaf on Dec 11, 2010 10:19:54 GMT
List of Victoria stock seen at Victoria on 08-12-10 from 1805 to 1935
South
11041 + 11042, 11039 + 11040, 11013 + 11014, 3010 + 3029, 3040 + 3041, 3039 + 3067, 3006 + 3007, 11005 + 11006, 3072 + 3050, 3086 + 3054, 11007 + 11008, 3059 + 3079, 3023 + 3022, 11021 + 11022, 3032 + 3069, 3049 + 3005, 3085 + 3034, 11025 + 11026, 11027 + 11028, 3014 + 3047, 3075 + 3078, 3027 + 3056, 11041 + 11042, 3081 + 3074
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3071 + 3033, 3078 + 3075, 3074 + 3081, 3076 + 3058, 11020 + 11019, 3011 + 3084, 11032 + 11031, 3026 + 3082, 3028 + 3055, 11018 + 11017, 3061 + 3060, 11016 + 11015, 11010 + 11009, 3029 + 3010, 3041 + 3040, 3067 + 3039, 3007 + 3006, 11006 + 11005, 3050 + 3072, 3054 + 3086, 11008 + 11007, 3079 + 3059, 3022 + 3023, 11022 + 11021, 3069 + 3032,
Also seen during the day
11035 + 11036 11045 + 11046 3058 + 3076
Have not seen 11001/2 or 11003/4 running as yet. Can anyone confirm their whereabouts please. Many thanks.
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 11, 2010 10:38:43 GMT
Have not seen 11001/2 or 11003/4 running as yet. Can anyone confirm their whereabouts please. You won't see them running on the Vic, they were the prototype 09's and have now returned back north.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 13, 2010 19:09:22 GMT
Have not seen 11001/2 or 11003/4 running as yet. Can anyone confirm their whereabouts please. You won't see them running on the Vic, they were the prototype 09's and have now returned back north. They will be back, after modifications. I believe that they will be the last two ttains (re)delivered.
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Post by zakwebb on Dec 13, 2010 20:41:16 GMT
Any fliks of the scrapped stock inside booths? Am curious as to how they look before and after scapping.
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 21, 2010 12:52:01 GMT
67 stock working out of North Park this morning (21st) by train number, (north end first): T215 units 71 - 33 T216 units 67 - 27 T217 units 50 - 72 T223 units 07 - 06 T224 units 54 - 70 T226 units 26 - 82 T227 units 79 - 59 T231 units 05 - 49 T236 units 34 - 85 T237 units 28 - 55 T240 units 76 - 58 T242 units 78 - 75 T243 units 22 - 23 T244 units 03 - 62 T245 units 47 - 14 T246 units 74 - 81 The Victoria out-stabler was also a 67 stock, (units unknown). Newest 09 stock out was train 24 11047/48.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 21, 2010 14:51:00 GMT
T216 units 67 - 27 T224 units 54 - 70 That's interesting. Unit 3070 had been running with 3073 for months. 3127 was coupled to 3056, and 3067 ran with 3139. Units 39, 56 and 73 are not on your list - have they been withdrawn?
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Post by superteacher on Dec 21, 2010 17:35:44 GMT
So only 17 1967 stock in service then - apart from Victoria, where else are trains outstabled on the Vic?
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 21, 2010 17:37:35 GMT
T216 units 67 - 27 T224 units 54 - 70 That's interesting. Unit 3070 had been running with 3073 for months. 3127 was coupled to 3056, and 3067 ran with 3139. Units 39, 56 and 73 are not on your list - have they been withdrawn? I couldn't tell you if they are withdrawn or not, I just took a copy of the list that was displayed at North Park this morning. I didn't notice any 'stopped' units at the depot last night. Don't know what stocks the Brixton or Walthamstow out stablers were last night, as I said the Victoria outstabler was a 67.
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 21, 2010 17:39:16 GMT
So only 16 1967 stock in service - must have been 21 2009 stock. The belance has tipped! Perhaps not quite yet! Depends what stock the 5 out stablers were, as said above, the Victoria one was a 67.
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 21, 2010 17:40:30 GMT
So only 17 1967 stock in service then - apart from Victoria, where else are trains outstabled on the Vic? Two at Brixton, Two at Walthamstow and one at Victoria.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 21, 2010 17:44:31 GMT
So only 17 1967 stock in service then - apart from Victoria, where else are trains outstabled on the Vic? Two at Brixton, Two at Walthamstow and one at Victoria. Ah yes, that's trains 201, 202, 203, 205 and 206. Which one is the Victoria starter?
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 21, 2010 17:47:11 GMT
Two at Brixton, Two at Walthamstow and one at Victoria. Ah yes, that's trains 201, 202, 203, 205 and 206. Which one is the Victoria starter? 201 & 202 Brixton, 203 Victoria, 205 & 206 Walthamstow. 203 runs empty from North Park to Victoria the night before, leaves North Park at 23.11, arrives Vic 23.42.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 21, 2010 17:49:39 GMT
Ah yes, that's trains 201, 202, 203, 205 and 206. Which one is the Victoria starter? 201 & 202 Brixton, 203 Victoria, 205 & 206 Walthamstow. 203 runs empty from North Park to Victoria the night before, leaves North Park at 23.11, arrives Vic 23.42. Thanks. Have seen 2009 stock on these quite regularly of late, but with how many times trains seems to get reformed on the Vic on a daily basis, you never know if that's what they started out as. I remember a few weeks ago, I saw a 2009 stock showing three different set number during the course of a few hours!
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Post by metman on Dec 21, 2010 17:53:00 GMT
So nearly at tipping point?
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Post by seaeagle on Dec 21, 2010 17:54:29 GMT
201 & 202 Brixton, 203 Victoria, 205 & 206 Walthamstow. 203 runs empty from North Park to Victoria the night before, leaves North Park at 23.11, arrives Vic 23.42. Thanks. Have seen 2009 stock on these quite regularly of late, but with how many times trains seems to get reformed on the Vic on a daily basis, you never know if that's what they started out as. I remember a few weeks ago, I saw a 2009 stock showing three different set number during the course of a few hours! When the job goes up the wall, every time a train gets to Brixton it's being re-numbered, so as you say it's quite common place at the moment to see the same unit running as a different number during the day.
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Post by seaeagle on Jan 3, 2011 12:48:06 GMT
67's out on the line yesterday (2nd Jan), included 3005+3149, 3022+3123, 3050+3172, 3054+3186, 3067+3139, 3070+3127, 3074+3181.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2011 17:08:17 GMT
How many more 67s are still left?
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Post by superteacher on Jan 3, 2011 17:11:32 GMT
How many more 67s are still left? 21 trains left on the line I believe. Just over half have now gone.
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Post by redsetter on Jan 4, 2011 20:08:34 GMT
that booths looks a terrible place,the contamination on that site must be enormous,no doubt with the outbreaks of dermatitis equally as bad.
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Post by seaeagle on Jan 6, 2011 21:53:22 GMT
Working out of Northumberland Park depot this morning, (6th Jan), were: 3003 + 3162, 3005 + 3149, 3007 + 3106, 3011 + 3184, 3022 + 3123, 3026 + 3182, 3028 + 3155, 3029 + 3110, 3034 + 3185, 3041 + 3140, 3047 + 3114, 3050 + 3172, 3054 + 3186, 3061 + 3160, 3070 + 3127, 3071 + 3133 & 3079 + 3159. Of the depot workings, 17 were 67 stock and 16 were 09 stock. It is assumed that 3067 + 3139 & 3074 + 3181 were outstabled last night, they were all working on Sunday 2nd. Highest 09 stock out was Train 25 11049/11050 on the short diagram, (06.09 ex North Park, stabling 08.14 then spare). T19 11037/11038 was on a test run about 13.45 from the depot with a few fitters on board.
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 7, 2011 1:21:40 GMT
Thanks. I've updated the list.These units were running at the beginning of December, but haven't been seen so far this year: A end: 3035 3156 D end: 3121 3132 Double ended: 3058 3069 3073 3076
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