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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 23:11:40 GMT
Hey, Its my pleasure to help. It helps having a set of cab equipment lol
Motor coaches were 32 tons and trailers 17 tons.
Can we modify the aerial view of the stock too. The fronts are not flat. Only the middle section containing the cab front door is flat. Each side slopes in slightly
Many thanks
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 7:19:42 GMT
Can we modify the aerial view of the stock too. The fronts are not flat. Only the middle section containing the cab front door is flat. Each side slopes in slightly Oooh!! That may be a difficult one. I'll put the question to Richard, our model maker. I did model the slight angles in the cabview as can be seen by comparing the front panels with the wooden slats on the floor. Darren.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 7:54:03 GMT
Thanks Darren, Yes from inside it is all the right shape. I think we will end up with the most accurate rail sim around by the time it's finished. I am really looking forward to seeing the modifications Ian
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 9:25:09 GMT
I think you right Ian. Did you get a loud hiss in the cab when you vented the pipe by accidently lifting off the handle.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 13:28:49 GMT
Yes you sure did.
When leaving the cab and changing ends you would also blow down the brake pipe by moving the brake handle to the emergency position, then turning reverser kev operated valve on the brake column to the off position, before returning the brake handle back to the 'off' running position.
For reference the procedure when entering the driving cab of an inservice train was...
Place control key in control switch and move to on position.
Operate brake pipe valve on brake column using reverser key to on posion.
Place key into position on master controller.
The compressor would almost definately start up when opening the brake pipe valve.
When pulling away, the time for the brakes to release allowing the train to start moving was less than a second.
for the sound effects if the recordings from my video don't work:
For the contactor noises a load clunk when going into shunt. 6 further clunks at 1 second intervals up to full series. and 6 clunks from full series to full parallel at one second intervals. When shutting off and re applying power when already moving the 'clunk' intervals would have been at 1/2 second intervals.
Once full parallel was reached and if the weak field switch was set on 'on' a lesser click would be heard a couple of seconds after reaching the full parallel position. This was the motor weak field relay.
Ian
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 19:35:52 GMT
Thanks Ian. I'm pretty sure that's how I described it in the manual that comes with the stock after desiphering from Mr Agnews wiring diagram. One point, If you were in full series then moved to parallel, did you get a clunk from the contactors first (to put the motors in parallel perhaps) before the notching relay started notching again or was all contactor clunks after shunt always preceeded by a notching relay click. Those videos you've posted are superb. Do you have any more, even if just snippets.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 22:34:15 GMT
Hey, I have loads of standard stock videos. The notching relay sound and contactors were at the same time. When going into parallel the sound was the same as the regular notching relay/contactor one. I will try to upload a high res video this weekend
Ian
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Post by DrJimi on May 21, 2010 1:59:18 GMT
Thanks again Ian! I'm part way through all the audio mods, and your post reminded me I'd forgotten to add the 'shunt clunk' - although all eh other NR/WF and contactor noises are in. I did, however, already add a nice loud hiss when dropping the deadman, or DBH to Emerg, or clobbering the tripcock (if fitted). After the audio is done, I'm re-visiting the braking system. We can deffo do an EP system, but I'm still investigating of we can also do Windyhouse. Worst case, you'll get the EP. Oh, lots of nice new braking noises too
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 7:04:07 GMT
Hey, I have loads of standard stock videos. I will try to upload a high res video this weekend I'm sure loads of users on this forum would really appreciate that especially me.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2010 7:54:44 GMT
Thanks again Ian! I'm part way through all the audio mods, and your post reminded me I'd forgotten to add the 'shunt clunk' - although all eh other NR/WF and contactor noises are in. I did, however, already add a nice loud hiss when dropping the deadman, or DBH to Emerg, or clobbering the tripcock (if fitted). After the audio is done, I'm re-visiting the braking system. We can deffo do an EP system, but I'm still investigating of we can also do Windyhouse. Worst case, you'll get the EP. Oh, lots of nice new braking noises too Fantastic. Make the contactor and compressor noises nice and loud, as they were lol
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 7:06:30 GMT
Quick question. Once the MC handle was lowered could it also be rotated while the reverser was in the off position or did the reverser have to be moved to forward or reverse before the MC handle rotation was unlocked. Cheers.
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Post by tubeprune on May 28, 2010 7:58:32 GMT
Quick question. Once the MC handle was lowered could it also be rotated while the reverser was in the off position or did the reverser have to be moved to forward or reverse before the MC handle rotation was unlocked. Cheers. No. The handle was interlocked mechanically with the reverser key barrel. The sequence is, handle down, key forward (or reverse), rotate handle as required.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2010 12:05:22 GMT
Thanks TP, Jimi, are you reading this. Another mod if possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 18:54:37 GMT
Well, thanks to Jimi, this is what we have so far. Jimi has created a script to interlock the throttle and reverser the way it should be. The deadmans also operates the emergency brake if you take the throttle past the off position whilst in forward or reverse. He has applied new sounds for the cab controls, compressor, brakes and track bed noise ripped off of Ian's videos. The man is a genius at what has proved to be a very testing and sad time.
Sadly, Jimi's wife Lynette lost her battle with cancer last night and my sincere condolences go out to him.
Darren.
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Post by mrfs42 on May 31, 2010 22:04:32 GMT
Sadly, Jimi's wife Lynette lost her battle with cancer last night and my sincere condolences go out to him. Darren. I hope I can speak for all the forum members here, and express our sadness and condolences to Jimi. If you're in contact with him off the forum, would you please pass on our sympathies.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2010 22:05:44 GMT
Jimi,
I don't really know what to say. My condolances to you. We are all thinking of you at this terrible time
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 19:31:55 GMT
Hey,
How is everyone? Any news on the Standard stock simulator?
Ian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2010 7:21:11 GMT
Yep!. Were all pulling back together and working on the D78. I must admit, I'd completely forgotton about the Standard Stock. I think the Standard Stock was almost in a new releasable state but I haven't visited it for so long. I'll get back to that as soon as the D78 is sorted. Promise. Can you remember Ian, if there was anything else to sort on it. We've been concentrating on the D78 to get that to a releasable state with full cab functionality thanks to Jimi, and Miss Siddons will be in a releaseable state soon aswell. I dunno, it's like buses, you get none for ages then three come along at once ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2010 13:30:14 GMT
Hi Darren, Great to hear from you. Yes the standard stock is pretty fantastic. The Westinghouse brake controller positions need some modification if possible and could we overlay EP brakes as well? The stock still does not seem to visibly accelerate fast enough (compare to the video I posted on youtime) The Sim is abosolutely fantastic tho. What a credit to the teams work Let me know if you need any more info, and if you would like to take the sim any further with details such as blowing the motor circuit breakers if jumping a rail gap, and not shutting off power etc. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 14:54:06 GMT
Hi Ian. I'll have to have a word with our chief physics coordinator Jimi re the brakes as I'm not to clever on that side. Not yet anyway. The blue version will accelarate at a faster rate than the red version you have been testing for us. Don't forget, the red version is for 660v LU. The blue version will be for 750v 3rd rail. The line breakers would be an interesting concept. I'll see if that is possible. Darren.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2010 18:07:38 GMT
Fantastic!! Will the blue version be out soon? Can't wait. Ian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 7:01:03 GMT
What were going to do is get the LT version perfected than I'll do the blueprints for the Blue and NSE variants. Jimi sent me a script to get the EP working. I don't think it's true EP but the Duplex needles and braking performance behave as near as dammit. Soon as it's done I'll mail you to try out. I don't know if we can simulate the line breakers popping out if you motor over a crossing as we will need the stock to interact with a scenery object placed at the crossing. We can trip the train into SPAD so emergency brake is applied but that's about it.
Darren.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2010 15:38:10 GMT
Well everythings comming along nicely but I have a question regarding driving from the control trailer and weak field operation. Did the motorman have to raise the flag in the rear DM before motoring off. Or was there an actual weak field flag switch in the CT to operate. Also, what was the reason the weak field flag had to be shown in the window. For whos purpose was this.
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Post by neilw on Dec 5, 2010 15:39:19 GMT
Can't answer the first part, but the reason for "weak field selected" being shown to the whole world was/is to stop it being used on those sections of line where it would cause the train to exceed the max line speed. The Met is a good example-in the city sections you need good acceleration but not too high a speed. The basic motor design gives you this. By weakening the field, the motor will run up to a higher speed, at the expense of some acceleration. The switch in/out therefore catered for higher speed running in the suburbs. The visible flag was to ensure it was only being used in such places. On the standard stock it was very noticeable when switched. On 62 stock, by comparison, it hardly made any difference and was eventually disconnected.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 8:02:53 GMT
Thanks Neil. So the purpose was to show everybody that the weak field was on. Was it all LU station staff responsibility to inform the motorman if they noticed it up where it shouldn't be.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 6, 2010 11:07:19 GMT
Thanks Neil. So the purpose was to show everybody that the weak field was on. Was it all LU station staff responsibility to inform the motorman if they noticed it up where it shouldn't be. Not really station staff, as they wouldn't know what they are! More for other drivers and Operating Officials. As has been said, C & D Stock still have weak-field flag switches.
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Post by Ben on Dec 6, 2010 16:51:16 GMT
Why would the accelleration be different on the Island from that on LT rails? Both are at 630v afterall
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2010 18:24:23 GMT
Why would the accelleration be different on the Island from that on LT rails? Both are at 630v afterall Are you sure. I thought the Island Line was at 750VDC the same as Southern BR.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2010 8:00:36 GMT
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Post by Ben on Dec 7, 2010 10:17:43 GMT
Indeed, presumably their performance was slightly better whilst testing on the southern than before or after!
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