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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2009 15:22:17 GMT
Interesting, that. Passed Neasden at about 12.40 today heading north and saw loads (12+) of staff in hi-vi's at the north end outside the shed on the track - the possession area maybe? May not be anything to do with the train being cancelled, but I now wonder .....
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Post by citysig on Oct 15, 2009 21:06:49 GMT
There have been possessions in Neasden depot on a more or less daily basis. Most have been in connection with - but not directly related to the arrival of - the S-stock.
I have heard lots and lots of rumours about the cancellation, and where the train will be kept "overnight / for the week" and given some of the stories I've heard, I will keep an open mind.
I think too many people got wind of it's imminent arrival and it was cancelled to avoid too many people crowding stations en-route and preventing them from closing ;D
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Post by 21146 on Oct 15, 2009 22:44:09 GMT
Crowding stations that were already closed, yes...
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Post by citysig on Oct 16, 2009 11:03:18 GMT
Crowding stations that were already closed, yes... No. The move (should) have arrived / approached Amersham before the last southbound train is booked to leave. A few "hangers-on" could have meant difficulties in shutting the station. But I am saying this with my tongue firmly in my cheek of course.
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Post by patstonuk on Oct 20, 2009 13:36:40 GMT
Reported on at least one Yahoo Group - train of S Stock on its way. Class 20s doing the honours.
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Post by vato on Oct 21, 2009 8:40:19 GMT
I saw 2 class 20s top and tailing what I guess were barrier wagons (2 bogie tankers and some metronet yellow bogie wagons) stabled outside Neasden depot when I went past the morning (20 227 at the southern end). I didn't spot anything else, though it's hard to see much when going past in a bouncing A car.
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Post by SE13 on Oct 21, 2009 11:26:01 GMT
I saw 2 class 20s top and tailing what I guess were barrier wagons (2 bogie tankers and some metronet yellow bogie wagons) stabled outside Neasden depot when I went past the morning (20 227 at the southern end). I didn't spot anything else, though it's hard to see much when going past in a bouncing A car. See The Met Line area for further details
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Post by vato on Oct 21, 2009 13:05:00 GMT
Was an interesting set of stuff to see today:
On the way back on an Amersham Fast, road 29 south door was shut, but you could get a tiny glimpse through the north door - looks shiny!
Also Chiltern 360301 green departmental DMU was heading north - ~12:20 @ Northwood Hills, ~12:55 @ Chalfont & Latimer - I guess this does railhead treatment of some kind since it was making quite a hissing noise.
/me is looking forward to 2tph to Chesham with these beasties...
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Post by peanuts on Oct 21, 2009 16:42:41 GMT
Also Chiltern 360301 green departmental DMU was heading north - ~12:20 @ Northwood Hills, ~12:55 @ Chalfont & Latimer - I guess this does railhead treatment of some kind since it was making quite a hissing noise. vato - that's the water jet / spraying unit used in the leaf fall season
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Post by 21146 on Oct 21, 2009 17:01:39 GMT
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Post by metrider on Oct 21, 2009 17:50:23 GMT
.... On the way back on an Amersham Fast, road 29 south door was shut, but you could get a tiny glimpse through the north door - looks shiny! .... The Teases! On my way out of town this morning, all you could get was a tiny glimpse through the South door. The north doors being closed! Shiny new S stock around, and all we get to look at are a couple of class 20's
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Post by superteacher on Oct 21, 2009 21:34:15 GMT
Looks like a very nice train - I'm assuming that the S stock delivery has commenced properly, and that this train is not a pre production one in the same way as was done with the 2009 stock?
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Post by Colin on Oct 21, 2009 22:23:19 GMT
It is indeed a pre-production train, and as I understand it, the introduction of S stock will work in a similar way to the 09ts.
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Post by slugabed on Oct 21, 2009 23:00:46 GMT
Just a quiuck question,of no great import....and apologies if this has already been addressed in an earlier post. Why is it "S" stock,presumably following on from the late-lamented "R" of fondest memory,rather than "E" stock,following from "A","C" and "D"......and was there ever to be a "B" stock,presumably some time in the '60s? (between A62 and C69) Thanks,guys! And girls!
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 21, 2009 23:07:34 GMT
Just a quiuck question,of no great import....and apologies if this has already been addressed in an earlier post. Why is it "S" stock,presumably following on from the late-lamented "R" of fondest memory,rather than "E" stock,following from "A","C" and "D"......and was there ever to be a "B" stock,presumably some time in the '60s? (between A62 and C69) Thanks,guys! And girls! There wasn't ever going to have been a B stock. A was used because it stood for Amersham, C stands for Circle, and D is District. S has been used because it means sub-surface.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 21, 2009 23:08:08 GMT
It is "S" stock because it is designed for the sub-surface lines, in the same way that the "C" was designed for the Circle Line and the "D" for the District Line. "A" is for Amersham, as the stock was designed for the extension of electrification to that point. According to Wikipedia each of the following letters have been used at least once by LU and its predecessors: A, B, C, CO, CP, D, E, F, G, H, K, L, M, MV, MW, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, VT and W
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Post by citysig on Oct 22, 2009 8:49:35 GMT
;D So anyone up for designing the X, Y or Z stock? Won't need it for 40 or so years. (I would bet it will be less than that, given how long the average family saloon lasts compared to 40 years ago..)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 13:16:22 GMT
I and J stock isnt in the list either. I stock serves Ickenham
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Post by SE13 on Oct 22, 2009 13:27:42 GMT
Unless I missed it somewhere, does anyone know an approximate passenger capacity for the S7 and S8 units.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 22, 2009 13:32:15 GMT
Were it to be an LU line rather than an NR one, X would have been a good choice for Crossrail stock.
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Post by metman on Oct 22, 2009 20:26:53 GMT
Yes, I like that Chris!
Seating capacity for S8 is about 304 and for S7 about 252.
Current seating is: A60/62 - 464 C69/77 - 192 D78 - 280
The Hammersmith and Circle Lines appear to do the best out of this. It is interesting that 7 cars of C stock would give 224 seats. Fewer doors mean more seats!
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Post by 100andthirty on Oct 22, 2009 21:06:40 GMT
A for Amersham C for Circle D for District S for Sub-Surface.
the letters were designated thus for these reasons.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 22, 2009 22:33:13 GMT
;D So anyone up for designing the X, Y or Z stock? Won't need it for 40 or so years. (I would bet it will be less than that, given how long the average family saloon lasts compared to 40 years ago..) If the design life of S stock is 40 years turns out to be a reasonably accurate indication of their actual working life, then I hope that the processes to next stock starts before then. After two minutes searching this post on 3 November 2005 is the earliest I've spotted to mention the S stock by name this forum. And I have vague memories of some early discussions on here debating whether it would be "S" or "U" (for "Universal" or "Underground" I think) stock so that wont be the very earliest. Anyway, I'd suggest that the designation for the next stock or stocks will be needed at least 5 years prior to introduction.
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Post by prjb on Oct 22, 2009 23:00:58 GMT
In the very early days of the project we considered 'E' Stock (E for Everywhere) but I'm glad to say it soon got dropped.
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Post by 21146 on Oct 25, 2009 18:05:57 GMT
I note that the S8 Stock does not have a car number on the front cab. Is this a deliberate ommision or an oversight? Most, though not all, LU stocks have had these applied retrospectivly over the years, and the new 2009TS are so treated. I realise there are better ways of Controllers identifying leadng car numbers nowadays (i.e. Connect radio instead of a dodgy CCTV picture), but they still seem to have a place on the modernised Victoria Line it appears.
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Post by prjb on Oct 25, 2009 20:56:00 GMT
I note that the S8 Stock does not have a car number on the front cab. Is this a deliberate ommision or an oversight? Most, though not all, LU stocks have had these applied retrospectivly over the years, and the new 2009TS are so treated. I realise there are better ways of Controllers identifying leadng car numbers nowadays (i.e. Connect radio instead of a dodgy CCTV picture), but they still seem to have a place on the modernised Victoria Line it appears. Hmm, thats actually a very interesting and valid question. I had forgotten about this until you jogged my memory, I agreed (some time ago) to a car number being placed above the 'M' door but it had to be smaller than standards called for due to the space constraints in that area. There was a suggestion to place the car number on the 'M' door itself but I refused this on the grounds that 'M' doors do get taken off from time to time and it could end up on another DM and thus have the wrong car number displayed. I am at Neasden on Monday morning and will chase this up, thanks for eminding me!
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Post by citysig on Oct 26, 2009 9:26:16 GMT
We've got some sticky labels and a marker pen in our place if you want to pass through and borrow them on the way ;D
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Post by Colin on Oct 26, 2009 14:44:13 GMT
I agreed (some time ago) to a car number being placed above the 'M' door but it had to be smaller than standards called for due to the space constraints in that area. There was a suggestion to place the car number on the 'M' door itself but I refused this on the grounds that 'M' doors do get taken off from time to time and it could end up on another DM and thus have the wrong car number displayed. I am at Neasden on Monday morning and will chase this up, thanks for eminding me! Would that not mean a lot of information all in one place though, what with the set number and two line destination display being in that area too? Surely they could be fitted in on either side at the bottom?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 19:28:33 GMT
Moving at a fair pace there!
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Post by norbitonflyer on Oct 26, 2009 19:51:51 GMT
Surely they could be fitted in on either side at the bottom? You only need the last three digits anyway - the first two are always the same. The Southern has used such truncated numbers for many years, as has Railfreight. The risk of confusion with 1973 stock is fairly small, I suggest! Truncation in this way also makes more prominent the all-important middle digit (which would be the first in the 3 digit form) which tells you whether you are looking at an S7 (21)200-214xx, or an S8 (21)001-1xx.
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