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Post by Colin on Feb 12, 2009 23:40:02 GMT
No, you have summed it correctly Chris AFAIK the 92ts was pegged until all the 62ts had gone and the signalling was upgraded, so it would be sensible to apply the same logic with the SSR. In any case, trains would not be allocated on the basis of type timetabled (with the obvious current exception that C stocks don't do D stock turns, D stocks don't do A stock turns, etc) - if they were, there'd be a new timetable everyday as each new s stock is introduced into the fleet! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Dmitri on Feb 13, 2009 11:27:07 GMT
Some time ago, Moscow Line 6 ('orange') was switching from E stock to 81-71x, which is almost twice more powerful. As the line has long 40-thousands (1/25) inclines, the transition time was... emmm... interesting (especially for the E train drivers) as the old rolling stock could not keep up with the new one .
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Post by maxtube on Feb 13, 2009 18:15:34 GMT
AFAIK the 92ts was pegged until all the 62ts had gone and the signalling was upgraded. Correct, the full 92TS upgrade began once all of the 62TS had been withdrawn from service.
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Post by 100andthirty on Feb 13, 2009 21:32:45 GMT
Everyone is correct. S stock will be pegged to existing stock performance until the new signalling is installed and operational with ATP
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Post by 21146 on Feb 13, 2009 23:39:24 GMT
Hasn't 1992TS performance, and thus journey times, been governed since the motors began falling off?
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Post by ek583 on Feb 14, 2009 0:35:34 GMT
Hasn't 1992TS performance, and thus journey times, been governed since the motors began falling off? AFAIK, ever since Chancery Lane happened, the top speed has indeed been restricted to 85kph as compared to the max design speed of 100kph (something that was easily achievable, specially on the outer branches of the line) So although, for instance, between Theydon Bois and Epping the train might indicate a target speed of 100kph, the actual speed will only go as high as 85kph. But I'm only a layman, so may be a Central line T/op can confirm this?
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Post by 100andthirty on Feb 14, 2009 13:48:59 GMT
I'm not a Central line train op, but yes the 1992 tube stock is goverend to 85km/h
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 22:53:37 GMT
I heard some rumours than an S-stock is going to be moved from Derby Litchruch Lane to the Old Dalby test track tommorow. I also found out that the S-stock is listed as Class 499/5
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Post by maxtube on Feb 26, 2009 18:04:05 GMT
Why did they give it TOPS classification if it's a tube train?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 18:06:56 GMT
Why did they give it TOPS classification if it's a tube train? TUBE TRAIN!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 18:56:32 GMT
Why did they give it TOPS classification if it's a tube train? TUBE TRAIN!!! Easy Jim, deep breaths now, that's better. He doesn't know any better, I'll gently explain that S stock is for the SSR or the Sub-Surface Railway which means we spend a lot of time looking at blue sky, green fields, sheep gamboling, birds swooping, which can only be seen ABOVE the ground and not from 50 feet below it. Easy Jim, easy ;D ;D
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Post by prjb on Feb 26, 2009 21:30:36 GMT
Just to let you all know, Pre-Series Train 2 has been successfully transferred from BTUK's Derby site to the test track at Old Dalby. We will now start concentrating on the commissioning process including further type testing, and carrying out it's required mileage accumulation before it comes to London in 6 months (approx) time. Pre-Series Train 1 remains in Derby to continue with it's dynamic testing regime.
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Post by prjb on Feb 26, 2009 21:41:04 GMT
On a seperate note.... TUBE TRAIN indeed!
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 26, 2009 21:47:32 GMT
He probably said 'tube train' because S stock will run on LU, and LU is known as 'the tube', or because S stock will only be as comfortable as a deep level tube train.
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Post by metman on Feb 26, 2009 22:20:40 GMT
Tube train indeed! The Metropolitan (and the other SSL) are proper sized trains, that run in shallow tunnels! The Great Northern and City, now that's a tube - a very big one!
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Post by Ben on Feb 27, 2009 11:07:15 GMT
Ein Volk, ein System, ein Tube Train, at least thats what it was from NRs perspective, surely?
499/5. I wonder if its got its own TOPs class because its being tested on the Old Dalby track.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 27, 2009 15:43:47 GMT
AIUI any rail vehicle the runs on the NR network needs a TOPS identification, so if it is being transferred by rail then it will need a TOPS number. The Class 4xx series was originally for Southern region DC EMUs, although these days the distinction with Class 3xx (AC EMUs) and Class 5xx (DC EMUs in other regions) appears to have become a bit blurred. According to Wikipedia Class 499 was allocated to LU stock in 1994. With the Bakerloo and District Lines, running over NR metals presumably the C, D and 1972 stocks are other subclasses of 499, although I don't know which is which. I don't think that A stocks will have an allocation as Chiltern run over LU metals rather than vice versa. Also I presume that the Tyne and Wear Metro trains will have a TOPS Class, but a couple of minutes of googling didn't provide an answer.
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Post by setttt on Feb 27, 2009 15:57:19 GMT
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Post by 21146 on Feb 27, 2009 16:45:16 GMT
My god they're ugly! Interesting pix though.
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Post by metman on Feb 27, 2009 17:24:24 GMT
No comment. Strange using tankers as barrier wagons!
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Post by Ben on Feb 27, 2009 18:58:02 GMT
We've certainly gone full circle from the flare sides! Almost literally forming one in the process...
I'm not gonna say anything, because if they were my 'labour of love' then I'd feel crushed if the first reactions were 'don't like it'.
Its hard to get an aesthetically pleasing design when done by committee. If theres one thing I will say its that the windows would look better if they were more square, or had a black painted surround to make them square.
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Post by DrOne on Feb 27, 2009 19:02:06 GMT
Nice to read about the new trains, thank you for the info.
BTW, which of the current SSL stock has the best acceleration? Would it be the lovely D-stock?
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Post by Colin on Feb 27, 2009 19:34:37 GMT
Depends how you defy best - outright fastest would probably be D stock with the weak field flag up - but if you like to listen to the RPA [1] doing it's stuff, A or C stock wins. In fact I'd go one further and say A stock cos not only do I like the RPA noises, I like way the cars [2] knock & bang together. [1] RPA: I know this has two meanings, but I was brought up with Rotary Pneumatic Accelerator - others call it Rapid Pneumatic Accelerator [2] Cars: LU speak for carriages ;D ;D
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Post by Colin on Feb 27, 2009 19:39:51 GMT
Oh and the S stock?
I like it.
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Post by prjb on Feb 27, 2009 21:01:18 GMT
Thanx Colin! To be honest though, I acknowledge that some will love 'S' Stock and some will hate it. Either way, I am convinced that from a Train Operator's perspective we have got this as good as it is going to get whilst working within the limitations of budget and other restrictions (such as tunnel guage/modern safety standards etc.). It's nice to see it out on the railway though isn't it? Even if it's not quite LU metals yet. Incidentally, and since this is District Dave's forum, the roundels and car numbers seen on train 2 all came from Ealing Common depot and are standard 'D' Stock items!
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Post by astock5000 on Feb 27, 2009 21:56:25 GMT
If theres one thing I will say its that the windows would look better if they were more square, or had a black painted surround to make them square. I like the rounded windows, they look a bit like the windows on C and D stock. The S stock looks better when you can see the whole train than if you can only see one car. The shape of the side and roof of S stock does make it look a bit like a 'tube train', as it isn't as square as A, C and D stock.
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Post by 21146 on Feb 27, 2009 22:20:58 GMT
One improvement is it seems the area below the 'headstock' (if it has one) has reverted to black.
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Post by Tomcakes on Feb 27, 2009 22:39:25 GMT
I actually quite like them, to be honest. Not perfect, but they do look like an Underground train whilst looking reasonably modern.
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Post by Chris M on Feb 28, 2009 0:39:45 GMT
I actually quite like them, to be honest. Not perfect, but they do look like an Underground train whilst looking reasonably modern. I agree with Tom, it does look a little caterpillar-like, but overall its a good looking train (and better than the 09 stock). Hopefully it will be as good and as reliable in service as PRJB would like.
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Post by metman on Feb 28, 2009 1:05:48 GMT
I doesn't look too bad when it is a full train. Although it is worth remembering what came before it....
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