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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2009 20:05:12 GMT
They should call the first one "Boris Johnson" and the second one "Ken Livingstone" and we could all have fun guessing which one would be out of service more often...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2009 20:16:24 GMT
They should call the first one "Boris Johnson" and the second one "Ken Livingstone" and we could all have fun guessing which one would be out of service more often... Nah, Call it Bob Crow, that'll really P off those Amersham passengers.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 29, 2009 15:15:53 GMT
But with SSR re-signalling pushed back when we will ever see the benefits? C Stock are restricted to 40mph, now I hear the D Stock going the same way with the Coasting Flag to be sealed down (both types of which I've got up to 55-57mph). What with the 92TS governed down after various incidents it seems LU journey times are getting longer, not shorter. Then there's that few seconds delay between the train stopping and the doors opening at every stop on modern stock (92TS especially). Is this progress? The D Stock mod is supposedly for SPAD mitigation purposes. They'll be having a man walking in front with a red flag next.
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Post by Colin on Jun 29, 2009 16:55:13 GMT
The best mod they can do to D stocks for SPAD mitigation is put the brakes back to how they used to be - then again, that's a good idea ......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2009 16:25:33 GMT
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Post by Chris W on Sept 16, 2009 18:07:35 GMT
Its an old story, but shame the reporter states that they'll be on the "sub-surface" lines in 2010 (replay and listen) and then announces the Circle, district, Hammersmith & City + Metropolitan lines ;D ;D ;D Since when were they sub-surface Brains of a rocking horse....
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Post by metman on Sept 16, 2009 19:45:08 GMT
They've always been known as the Sub surface Lines - hence SSL.
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Post by prjb on Sept 16, 2009 19:46:59 GMT
Its an old story, but shame the reporter states that they'll be on the "sub-surface" lines in 2010 (replay and listen) and then announces the Circle, district, Hammersmith & City + Metropolitan lines ;D ;D ;D Since when were they sub-surface Brains of a rocking horse.... Erm, the Circle, Hammersmith & City, District, and Metropolitan lines are all Sub-Surface! (SSR - Sub-Surface Railway)
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Post by Colin on Sept 16, 2009 21:40:39 GMT
Do you wanna borrow my JCB Chris? (I haven't used it for a while now, but it's still in full working order! ;D ;D ;D)
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 16, 2009 23:53:36 GMT
They've always been known as the Sub surface Lines - hence SSL. Always? Really? ;D Gosh. I've got 5 gallons of EP46 if you need to top up the rams on the back actor.
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Post by Chris W on Sept 17, 2009 10:29:17 GMT
have I dropped a clanger I know that they're going underground in central London, but surely it should be surface Surface being the larger/full size lines & routes Tube/Sub surface for those lines that are mostly underground/deep tunnels (as opposed to cut & cover). Or have I got my abbreviations/definitions confused
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 11:45:49 GMT
have I dropped a clanger I know that they're going underground in central London, but surely it should be surface Surface being the larger/full size lines & routes Tube/Sub surface for those lines that are mostly underground/deep tunnels (as opposed to cut & cover). Or have I got my abbreviations/definitions confused You have! The Underground consists of tube lines and sub-surface lines (the cut and covers). Defined by line, so the District is still a sub-surface line, even though it may be on the surface at Elm Park and the Central is still a tube line, even though it may be on the surface at Debden! ;D
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Post by Colin on Sept 17, 2009 11:50:40 GMT
Now I hope I'm not teaching anyone to 'suck eggs', but hopefully this will help.....
Tube, or Deep Level lines, are: Bakerloo, Central, Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City lines.
The clue is that most of us describe the stock on those lines using the suffix letters 'ts' - ie, 67ts or 96ts etc. When underground, they are generally in single track tunnels.
The Sub Surface Railway (SSR), or Sub Surface lines (SSL), are: Circle, District, Hammersmith & City, and Metropolitan lines.
The stock on these lines use the prefix letters - ie, C69 or D78 etc. When underground, they are generally in twin track tunnels.
The most prevalent way in which the SSR/SSL abbreviation is used is in relation to the PPP companies; the lines were grouped into three - BCV (Bakerloo, Central & Victoria), JNP (Jubilee, Northern & Piccadilly) and SSL (Circle, District, Hammersmith & City, and Metropolitan lines - and of course the East London line when that was LU).
The winning PPP maintainers were of course Tubelines (JNP), and Metronet (BCV & SSL).
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Post by max on Sept 17, 2009 15:21:24 GMT
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Post by citysig on Sept 17, 2009 17:09:36 GMT
Thinking back (it gets harder everyday) I can only recall the whole "Sub" thing being mentioned from, as Colin mentions, since the dawn of PPP. I think they needed a little something "extra" to distinguish between the real railways and the Toy-Town stuff that runs deeper underground ;D (Yes just this once, for simplicity in an explanation, I'll bracket the Green Railway with us "real railways" ) When I joined the job, if the lines were referred to it was generally as the "surface" or "cut and cover." The tubes were mostly referred to as "tubes" or "deep-level." I can't recall anyone coining the Sub-Surface term until PPP. (Have we dug Chris W out of it yet - is he "sub-surface" or still deep level ;D)
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Post by Chris W on Sept 17, 2009 19:00:36 GMT
(Have we dug Chris W out of it yet - is he "sub-surface" or still deep level ;D) Am just emerging out from my self-imposed very deep tunnel of embarrassment... although I do have a copy of J Graeme Bruce's book in my defence... Thanks Gents ;D ;D ;D Note to self... think before typing... think before typing.. think before typingPS: Perhaps some of you could answer a few other questions I have... what is this London Underground railway system I've heard of.... and how did I become an Admin here come to think of it???
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2009 19:39:36 GMT
Am just emerging out from my self-imposed very deep tunnel You're at East Finchley? PS: Perhaps some of you could answer a few other questions I have... what is this London Underground railway system I've heard of) Those big white/red/blue thingys, often coupled 4, 6, 7 or 8 in a row, stopping in specially designed basements under the streets of London, and someplaces they stop above the ground. People go on and off when they stop at those specially designes places. Any ringing bell?
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Post by Colin on Sept 17, 2009 19:58:43 GMT
I love it - this thread has to be a contender for the funniest thread of 2009!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And I reckon EirikhO's guide should be officially used by T fL!! ;D ;D
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Post by metman on Sept 17, 2009 22:39:05 GMT
Ha ha yeah, fantastic!!
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Post by prjb on Oct 2, 2009 21:37:39 GMT
Metronet referred to the surface lines as SSL, whilst LU referred to them as SSR. Under PPP this was in order to distinguish between the Infraco and LU in contractual terms. Now that we are all 'one happy family' we have reverted to SSR, and the upgrade has been tactfully rebranded as the SUP (Sub-Surface Upgrade Project).
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Post by SE13 on Oct 6, 2009 11:18:45 GMT
I love it - this thread has to be a contender for the funniest thread of 2009!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And I reckon EirikhO's guide should be officially used by T fL!! ;D ;D It's even funnier a month later
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Post by alanbennett on Oct 14, 2009 2:21:14 GMT
This may already have been mentioned, but this weeks EWSA has paths for a train (545) with S Stock within class 20s and mathc wagons to run to Neasden depot.
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Post by citysig on Oct 14, 2009 7:10:42 GMT
Indeed. But I believe it was to be cancelled last night. So that leaves the other path....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 18:19:24 GMT
This may already have been mentioned, but this weeks EWSA has paths for a train (545) with S Stock within class 20s and mathc wagons to run to Neasden depot. EDITED POST: 20189 worked Light from Barrow Hill to Butterly to pick up 20227, then set off to Wellingborough Yard. 20901+20905 just went to Old Dalby presumably to pick up the S-stock, I asked my friend for confirmation on the move, he told me there is nothing on TRUST on the LUL moves.
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Post by Oracle on Oct 14, 2009 21:22:41 GMT
Class 20s because of light axle loading and approval to run on LU? They have of course run on what was then LT metals ex-Marylebone via Harrow-on-the-Hill to Amersham and beyond.
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Post by citysig on Oct 14, 2009 22:10:22 GMT
I asked my friend for confirmation on the move, he told me there is nothing on TRUST on the LUL moves. There won't be. Today.
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Post by alanbennett on Oct 14, 2009 22:15:59 GMT
As mentioned earlier (as Met Control will understand) it appears on a number of nights in the EWSA and is then cancelled in the nightly Engineering Notice if it isn't running.
I would have thought that the leading class 20 would be the LU one - as it is fitted with tripcocks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2009 22:53:15 GMT
I asked my friend for confirmation on the move, he told me there is nothing on TRUST on the LUL moves. There won't be. Today. Just found this: Ta Urbanite and T.F *I'm not responsible if the train gets cancelled tommorow* 8X09 Class 499/5 4x20s 15/10 OLD DALBY 11:42 MELTON JN 12:12 12:17 MELTONMOW PASS 12:20 M MWBRYYD 12:23 12:40 MELTONMOW PASS 12:43 SYSTONEJN PASS 12:57 SYSTONSJN PASS 12:59 LEICESTER PASS 13:07 LESTERSJN PASS 13:08 KNIGHTNJN 13:11 13:38 LEICES327 PASS 13:40 BAGWRTHJN PASS 14:04 BARDONH Q 14:09 15:12 MANTLE LN PASS 15:19 LOUNGE JN PASS 15:31 MOIRA PASS 15:43 BHMCRVEJN PASS 15:57 BRANSTNJN 16:00 17:06 WICHNORJN PASS 17:14 ELFRDLOOP 17:19 18:10 TAMWRTHHL PASS 18:18 KINGSBRYJ PASS 18:29 WHITACREJ PASS 18:34 WATERORTN PASS 18:39 CSTLBROMJ PASS 18:42 WASHWDH 1 PASS 18:52 LANDORSTJ 18:57 19:06 STANDRWSJ PASS 19:10 BORDSLYJN PASS 19:11 SMALLH SJ PASS 19:20 TYSELEY PASS 19:22 BENTLEY H PASS 19:36 DORRIDGE 19:40 20:00 HATTON PASS 20:23 LEAMSPSTN PASS 20:41 FENNYCOMP 21:00 21:22 BANBURYJN PASS 21:35 BANBURY 21:41 22:23 AYNHO JN PASS 22:32 BICESTNTH PASS 22:47 PRINCRISB 23:23 23:28 LITTLEKIM PASS 23:39 AYLESBURY 23:57 00:05 STOKEMANV PASS 00:11 WENDOVER PASS 00:17 GT MISDEN PASS 00:26 MNTLSWOOD PASS 00:34 AMERSHAM 00:39
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Post by 21146 on Oct 15, 2009 11:58:40 GMT
This move has been cancelled today
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Post by Oracle on Oct 15, 2009 14:13:02 GMT
From another place (yes that one), the move was cancelled at Asfordby and will now run next week. The Class 20s will run to Ferme Park with Translator vans and then light engine back to Wellingborough Yard. Cancelled becuae of 'engineering work' at Neasden allegedly.
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