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Post by aerithfreak on May 7, 2006 11:05:02 GMT
Do LC have absolutely no idea how many people tend to be on the District Line going east from Mile End between 4pm and 7pm on weekdays? The amount of times there's been a completely filled to bursting point train being taken out of service at Barking is becomming seemingly absurd now.
Do LC do it deliberately to annoy the drivers that they hate, because you certainly do get some rowdy folks on those trains that don't appreciate getting kicked off at Barking.
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Post by Colin on May 7, 2006 12:05:27 GMT
I presume you're referring to trains whose destination was Dagenham East or Upminster -
There are many reasons for this occurring, ie:
Train couldn't be turned at the west end of the line
Driver is 'tight' on driving hours
Prevention of short meal relief (would affect drivers next train)
Too many trains in the area for the signalling to cope
Trains being renumbered (thus becoming a Barking reverser)
Upminster train being reversed at Dagenham, meaning a Dagenham train has to be reversed at Barking
The list could go on, but those are the more common reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 12:21:05 GMT
Do LC do it deliberately to annoy the drivers that they hate, because you certainly do get some rowdy folks on those trains that don't appreciate getting kicked off at Barking. LC would rarely know the individual driver. |
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Post by Colin on May 7, 2006 15:16:48 GMT
Also, the line controller has no idea of what train is where east of Tower Hill - so many of the desicions are actually made by the signallers.
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Post by citysig on May 7, 2006 20:37:02 GMT
Do LC have absolutely no idea how many people tend to be on the District Line going east from Mile End between 4pm and 7pm on weekdays? Line Controllers (or Service Controllers to give them their new fangled title) on all lines are aware of the passenger flows of each section of line. However, in order to restore a service for the majority, seemingly harsh decisions are made. Thought is always given to the impact to those on the turned train. Add to this the reasons Colin has already given (plus a few others) and you have the answer. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2006 22:33:30 GMT
Generally speaking, for the driver it is good to get a curtailment at Barking. It means the service is running late and there is then a better chance of finishing on time, or getting a bit of rest n relaxation in Barking sidings until due in Barking westbound !
Most of the train is detrained by platform staff, and people do moan, which I can understand, but they tend to know the decision does not rest with the driver.
That said, I have to agree that whilst their precious service to Richmond seems to be maintained by the controller at all costs, they seem to not give a stuff about the service to Upminster (perhaps because they can't see it on their diagrams) and will cheerfully allow 30, 40 and even 50 min gaps to appear between Dag East and Upminster (notably in the late eve about 21.00 -22.00ish) with often the only trains getting they being because they have an Upminster crew change there or are stabling (and thus leave a bigger gap westbound).
This poor show for passengers Elm Park - Upminster, is often the unseen effect of delays caused by Network Rail signal policy on the Richmond Branch of always prioritizing Silverlink trains over LUL. (An LUL 30 seconds late, with a Silverlink 5 mins behind, will have to wait for the Silverlink to go first ... or so i was told when phoning the signaler to complain the other day). By which time you loose your path at Turnham Green, Earl's Court, Gloucester Road - Circles in front, Aldgate East - H & C in front, a few mins delay by Network Rail can be 15 or more by the time Barking is reached!
A little more willingness to turn trains on the Westbound would be fairer all round (especially at Gunnersbury, where passengers can change to one of the precious Silverlink's) but this does block the main, there are few suitable sidings/bay roads out West where time can be waited for an eastbound trip (Parsons Green being pretty much the only option)
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2006 17:07:34 GMT
Ah yes the Barking terminations. Lots of technical replies, but nothing to help the customer as usual. Get chucked off a train terminating early at Barking only to see the trains following terminate there too - Barking (H and C), Barking (District), another H and C and maybe another Barking District followed by a Dagenham East. Do the Richmond end passengers (sorry customers) pay more for their service than us and so deserve a better service? This is a management problem, but have you ever tried to get the right guy to expalin to. All I ever get is 'LUL are doing everything to improve its service' etc etc.
In the morning, wait for ages for a westbound and then when you get outside Barking, we wait while a train is let out of the sidings. Then after Barking our packed train has to wait on a high level to await a train leaving the side bay (H and C). All that after a big gap in service - doesn't anybody know we're coming ? can't they let trains out whilst, we're on our way or after we've left ?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2006 18:30:57 GMT
Generally speaking, for the driver it is good to get a curtailment at Barking. It means the service is running late and there is then a better chance of finishing on time, or getting a bit of rest n relaxation in Barking sidings until due in Barking westbound ! Most of the train is detrained by platform staff, and people do moan, which I can understand, but they tend to know the decision does not rest with the driver. That said, I have to agree that whilst their precious service to Richmond seems to be maintained by the controller at all costs, they seem to not give a stuff about the service to Upminster (perhaps because they can't see it on their diagrams) and will cheerfully allow 30, 40 and even 50 min gaps to appear between Dag East and Upminster (notably in the late eve about 21.00 -22.00ish) with often the only trains getting they being because they have an Upminster crew change there or are stabling (and thus leave a bigger gap westbound). This poor show for passengers Elm Park - Upminster, is often the unseen effect of delays caused by Network Rail signal policy on the Richmond Branch of always prioritizing Silverlink trains over LUL. (An LUL 30 seconds late, with a Silverlink 5 mins behind, will have to wait for the Silverlink to go first ... or so i was told when phoning the signaler to complain the other day). By which time you loose your path at Turnham Green, Earl's Court, Gloucester Road - Circles in front, Aldgate East - H & C in front, a few mins delay by Network Rail can be 15 or more by the time Barking is reached! A little more willingness to turn trains on the Westbound would be fairer all round (especially at Gunnersbury, where passengers can change to one of the precious Silverlink's) but this does block the main, there are few suitable sidings/bay roads out West where time can be waited for an eastbound trip (Parsons Green being pretty much the only option) You know, I know a few Silverlink men and they think exactly the opposite. ;D  |
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