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Post by londonboy on Jan 4, 2009 13:04:18 GMT
From BBC Website A disused railway station in north London has been demolished despite campaigns to save it. Primrose Hill station closed in September 1992 but the track is still used for freight services. Network Rail said the buildings had fallen into disrepair and the track was still live so, for safety reasons, they were demolished. Campaigners maintained the station should have been reopened to ease congestion on other lines. Feasibility study Despite closing in 1992 the island platform with its buildings remained. Peter Darley, from Camden Railway Heritage Trust, said: "We know that Camden Town station is overloaded. "We also know that in the future it's going to be subject to redevelopment. "That is going to put pressure on Chalk Farm underground station and that's pressure that this station here could help to relieve." A Network Rail spokesman said: "Any decision to re-open the station in the future would need to be based on a feasibility study led by a number of industry bodies including the Department for Transport, Transport for London, and the current train operating company." He said any such study would need to take into account such factors as demand and cost in relation to other services operating in the area. Primrose Hill station opened as Hampstead Road station in June 1851. It was rebuilt in May 1855 and renamed Chalk Farm in December 1862. It was then renamed Primrose Hill station in 1950 and the street building was reconstructed. Story from BBC NEWS: news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/london/7809747.stmPublished: 2009/01/04 12:19:58 GMT © BBC MMIX
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Post by angelislington on Jan 4, 2009 13:42:23 GMT
That's a shame, but it might very well be that the cost of refurbishment would be greater than the cost of demolition/rebuilding, if/when that ever happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 14:41:41 GMT
Campaigners' shock as Primrose Hill station is suddenly demolishedRESIDENTS are furious that the historic Primrose Hill station has been demolished days after the launch of a campaign to reopen it. Network Rail knocked down the Victorian station, disused since 1992, leaving residents livid that they were not consulted before demolition day. The station could be reopened as part of the London Overground network and served by a line running between Queen's Park and Stratford. But this looks more unlikely now the buildings have been destroyed. Campaigners say the station is essential due to the immense pressure on the Northern line and perpetual overcrowding in Camden Town's stations. Alden Place resident Keith Bird, a member of the Primrose Hill Community Association, said: "There must have been very little, if any, consultation because no-one has heard about the demolition. "It is outrageous. What is done is done but the fact that they never consulted should be condemned. "The station is something that is needed, particularly when they talk about taking traffic off the roads. It is a local facility and it would be greatly used if it was reopened." Earlier this year, the station was included in a Transport for London heritage audit of the London Overground. The report said: "Since its platform and buildings still exist and there is considerable pressure to reopen the station, it has been included in this study." Camden Railways Heritage Trust secretary, Peter Darley, said: "I was very much supporting the idea of reopening Primrose Hill station. "We thought it was a great idea. We see it as important to the whole area and to its railway heritage." The campaign to save the station was launched by Primrose Hill's Liberal Democrat councillors and parliamentary candidate Jo Shaw. Cllr Chris Naylor said: "Primrose Hill residents are backing our campaign to get the station reopened. Camden voters tell us we need to get more travel off the roads and on to public transport. "So it seems crazy to demolish the old station now. The Northern line is massively overloaded and we won't get a new Camden tube station for 10 years or more. "It would be a great way to help ease the pressure on public transport and the roads locally." Ms Shaw added: "The campaign to reopen the station has been very popular. I am annoyed because this has put a spanner in the works and people want to see this station reopened." A Network Rail spokesman said: "Primrose Hill station was decommissioned over 10 years ago and since this time it had fallen into a state of disrepair. "The track at this location is still live. So in the interest of network operation and safety a decision was made to demolish the station. Materials salvaged from this activity will be recycled. "Before the station was demolished, approval was sought from the relevant rail industry partners including the Department for Transport, Transport for London and the train operating company. www.hamhigh.co.uk/content/camden/hamhigh/news/story.aspx?brand=NorthLondon24&category=Newshamhigh&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newshamhigh&itemid=WeED02%20Jan%202009%2010%3A43%3A21%3A417
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Post by cetacean on Jan 4, 2009 15:43:19 GMT
Quite a few inaccuracies/pertinent facts missing from the articles : - The main station building is still there and is in private use, and would presumably require considerable work to get it back into use as a ticket hall - The platforms are (last time I looked) still there - The stairs connecting the two were demolished long ago - The only thing that has been demolished are the canopies and a small brick building on the platform
So the list of things that need to happen before the station can reopen has got slightly longer, but really providing replacement canopies is the least of your worries compared to everything else on that list.
The biggest problem remains the lack of a regular train service through the station, which is likely to continue unless something radical happens to improve capacity at Camden West junction. The original North London Line upgrade scheme wasn't designed around running passenger trains via Primrose Hill, so that's no use. The descoping of the scheme actually provides a neat opportunity to come up with a scheme that does.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 10:33:48 GMT
Why is it that when some of the original North London Railway stations were demolished, for example Broad Street, there was little or no opposition, but when others were demolished, such as Primrose Hill, there was lots of opposition?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 22:35:18 GMT
I'm not sure as to what traffic patterns were like at the time Broad Street was in its final days, but seeing as it was nexto Liverpool Street; inconvenience springs to mind. I guess most intending Citybound folk either used Highbury and thence Northern City or Victoria Lines.
At a guess also, there was 'big bucks' on offer from a property developer to sell up?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2009 23:46:25 GMT
Broad Street was originally targeted for closure under Beeching, but there was a lot of opposition then... it was pretty badly damaged during the war though, and never really properly fixed up. It was quite dilapidated.
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Post by metman on Feb 16, 2009 23:57:01 GMT
If Betjamin had been alive, he'd have had a word about Broad Street. He loved that station, and fought hard to save St Pancras!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2009 0:02:12 GMT
From what I remember reading I do not think Broad Street was that well used at the time of its closure, although no idea whether that is a result of a lack of demand or the service being run down. But in its place they did originally run some peak services between Watford Junction and Liverpool Street so it did have a sort of direct replacement for a while.
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Post by mrjrt on Feb 17, 2009 11:28:19 GMT
I still think when the pulled down BS they shoudl have used the space to build more low level platforms for Liverpool Street in the basement(s) of the new tower blocks.
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Post by Colin on Feb 17, 2009 15:53:56 GMT
Aren't the current 18 platforms enough then? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Chris M on Feb 17, 2009 17:01:23 GMT
I was under the impression that there was insufficient capacity at Liverpool Street for any more services until Crossrail takes over the Shenfield Metro traffic.
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Post by mrjrt on Feb 18, 2009 9:55:15 GMT
I was under the impression that there was insufficient capacity at Liverpool Street for any more services until Crossrail takes over the Shenfield Metro traffic. That's pretty much my reasoning. You would've had ample room to expand the throat by demolishing more of the BS viaduct north of the station (the current unused stub), and if you demolished the infamous GE(13?) bridge and some creative realigning you could probably squeeze more approach tracks from Bethnal too. Alas, wasted opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 14:59:54 GMT
Wouldn't the existing Watford Junction to Euston service be better rerouted through Primrose Hill and onto Stratford with some Bakerloo Line trains restored to WJ?
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Post by metman on Mar 3, 2009 17:51:07 GMT
I heard about the idea to run Watford Jn - Liverpool Street at the time, guess it was a little out the way, as the Dalston route was non-stop!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 14:57:18 GMT
Would have thought Watford-Liverpool Street would be more useful than to Euston anyway. If passengers wanted to get in to Euston they could change at a reopened Primrose Hill for Chalk Farm.
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Post by max on Mar 4, 2009 16:01:33 GMT
Transfer the Buckinghamshire Met bits to Chiltern, and then joint the Met onto the DC lines at Kenton, and you can have both, and much faster than the DC lines could ever manage.
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Post by slugabed on Mar 16, 2009 9:07:48 GMT
Camden New Journal last week quoted a Camden Council spokesman,deploring Nework Rail's summary demolition of the platform-level buildings at Primrose Hill last year. He said that,as the buildings were not in a Conservation Area,the Council were not in a position to intervene ,but viewed the demolition as regrettable in view of the Council's aim to re-open the station. Network Rail was said to have ordered the demolition work as a result of "anti-social activity" (??!!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 18:14:21 GMT
That will be the freight drivers having a leak while waiting for the signal
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Post by maxtube on Mar 17, 2009 18:15:50 GMT
That will be the freight drivers having a leak while waiting for the signal ;D
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Post by dazz285 on Mar 17, 2009 20:10:10 GMT
Passed there today and it seems like a lot of metal fencing going up as if they're going to make a storage area.. maybe for the Camden to Dalston upgrade?? Only time will tell..
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Post by maxtube on Mar 18, 2009 17:21:05 GMT
Or perhaps for construction of a new station?
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Post by slugabed on Mar 18, 2009 23:20:31 GMT
Or perhaps for construction of a new station? We can only hope!! I for one would be delighted to see a new service via and stopping at Primrose Hill....preferably an extension of the East London Line to the bay platforms at Willesden Jct New (instead of the present Highbury reversal,which seems to be a recipe for disaster). However,these days there are no pleasant surprises....any (re-)opening only takes place after so many years of public wrangling over finance etc. that any sense of occasion has been bludgeoned out of it. Closures and demolitions seem to come out of the blue,though.
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