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Post by 21146 on Dec 27, 2008 17:00:45 GMT
Now that A1 pacific steam locomotive "Tornado" has been built new and recreated a vanished marque, what Underground rolling stock type would forum members like to see reconstructed if money allowed?
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Post by 21146 on Dec 27, 2008 17:03:35 GMT
A first suggestion - a train of mixed B, C, D, E District Railway stock, which I have, but sadly only in 00-gauge etched brass.
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 27, 2008 17:22:46 GMT
There is no preserved F stock.
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Post by Ben on Dec 27, 2008 17:51:33 GMT
Good call on the F stock. What about a train of 1920ts? With converted french motors, or even a couple of the older standards banging about.
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Post by metman on Dec 27, 2008 18:50:58 GMT
A K stock driving motor and an 'A' end CP stock car. I would love to have a go on some F stock!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 19:20:43 GMT
I'd have to go with either the Hungarian Gate stock for the Northern or the F stock.
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Post by Ben on Dec 28, 2008 9:09:57 GMT
Could do the 'festival of britain' car; would mean an R stock train could run.
Not whole trains perhaps, but metadyne equipment for the COP stock at Quainton would be good, as would the innards for the T stock motors.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 10:33:12 GMT
I'd like to see a train of F stock as well, or even a rake of 'dreadnought' coaches for Sarah to pull instead of that old unit!
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Post by 21146 on Dec 28, 2008 11:41:31 GMT
I'd like to see a train of F stock as well, or even a rake of 'dreadnought' coaches for Sarah to pull instead of that old unit! Ah yes, but Dreadnaughts still exist in preservation. How about reuniting 'Sarah' with them for "Met 150" in 2013? (Though sadly not in passenger use). Even the 1963 rolling stock run-past on Neasden Kloyndyke is impossible now due to security fencing. Indeed, will an all-line display be possible in one place come 2013 what with all the incomptable signalling and control systems*? (At least the SSL bit should be easy enough - one train will suffice!). *And incomptable management - TFL, Tube Lines, Alstom etc
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Post by metman on Dec 28, 2008 12:32:56 GMT
There will still be some of all 3 surface stocks in existance in 2013, hopefully, the Dreadnoughts can be brought out with Sarah. If only the two T stock cars could be remotored, they could run with 2 of the dreadnoughts!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 13:18:57 GMT
Fantastic ideas but, sadly, they are destined to remain exactly that! My own choice would have to be F stock. There's just something about the look of it! As for MET 150. are any plans being made to commemorate this as, if so, they ought to be being made now.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 28, 2008 13:32:46 GMT
As for MET 150. are any plans being made to commemorate this as, if so, they ought to be being made now. I fear you've answered your own question in a manner of sorts.
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Post by maxtube on Jan 25, 2009 16:22:32 GMT
A complete original train of C&SLR stock. Or an original CLR locomotive and coaches.
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Post by mowat on Jan 25, 2009 22:55:57 GMT
My choice would be to get the 3 dreadnought's back from Yorkshire to run with No12, and get rid of that horrible impostor set. As for the 2 T stock DM's, how about refurbishing them with new more modern equipment and using them as a heritage train on the Chesham shuttle. The Gate stock would be an interesting one to do as we still have the gate end (back to first window) off a GNP&BR DM car that was going to be preserved, but would have been to expensive to restore after being a ballast motor. So how about using this a the basis for a new gate stock car for display in the LTM.
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 25, 2009 23:42:34 GMT
'F' stock with blue stripes to run Queens Park - Watford shuttles.
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Post by maxtube on Jan 26, 2009 10:22:58 GMT
Or maybe a complete train of Standard stock: DM-T-CT-CT-T-NDM-DM Considering that, although Acton depot have a few Standard stock cars, the ones at Acton Works that would enable a full train are in very poor condition, and look more like a sunken ship than a tube train.
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 26, 2009 16:16:19 GMT
There were no standard stock NDMs. The 7 car formation was DM-T-T-DM+CT-T-DM.
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Post by metman on Jan 26, 2009 17:50:44 GMT
...or DM-T-CT+CT-T-DM when first delivered
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 26, 2009 18:23:03 GMT
And they ran as 8-car on the Central.
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Post by metman on Jan 26, 2009 19:17:56 GMT
Eventually!
Did you know on the Bakerloo they often ran (nth) DM-DM-T-T-CT-T-DM (sth).
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Post by Ben on Jan 26, 2009 19:24:30 GMT
The standard stock in their careers have run as everything from 2 car to 9 car. So, no matter how many cars survive, if they all run together it'll at least be partly based on history!
Why the F stock on the DC lines, mrfs42?
I was absolutely appauled when I found out that TRC 912 had been scrapped as late as 2006; how short sighted! It could have been put back with a couple of 38DMs and made a 7 car train.
The problem with running the T stock motors with the dreadnaughts is they have different braking systems. However if the T stock motors were formally MV stock then they could be put back to vacume breaking?
One thing that would be interesting would be a 1960ts trailer; though never made and not authentic atall it'd still be interesting to see.
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Post by astock5000 on Jan 26, 2009 20:40:10 GMT
Did you know on the Bakerloo they often ran (nth) DM-DM-T-T-CT-T-DM (sth). Why was this? One thing that would be interesting would be a 1960ts trailer; though never made and not authentic atall it'd still be interesting to see. And that would mean there would be a spare 38TS trailer! I think it would be a good idea to restore one or two standard stock trailers and put them in the preserved 60TS unit, and preserve 483 007 from the Isle of Wight (as it was part of the last 38TS train in service) and make a 3-car unit of 38TS.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 26, 2009 21:41:13 GMT
...or DM-T-CT+CT-T-DM when first delivered The first orders were designed to run as 5-car trains.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2009 21:52:33 GMT
Good call re. preserving 38 set 007. Weren't they two of the DMs that were allocated to LNER ownership before the war?
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Post by metman on Jan 26, 2009 22:28:42 GMT
I believe two motors were used at the North end as the exits there were few on the Bakerloo. TP, what formations did the 5 cars run in? M-T-CT+T-M?
They could put a 1923 or 1931 trailer in between the two cars of 1938 stock, a little like the old days (albeit with a 1927 trailer).
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Post by 21146 on Jan 27, 2009 1:29:43 GMT
If only the COP stock cars at Quainton Road could be 'repatriated' to LT metals and restored to running order before open storage finally finishes them off. Of course in Berlin or New York a train of 1930s flared rolling stock would have been retained in working order by the company, that's a given. However wonderful 'Sarah' looks, and the associated re-liveried, ehem, 4-TC set, that's not typical of LT Railways operation as experienced by the majority of Londoners over the years and never will be. The CO/CPs were the surface version of the 1938TS and one unit should have been kept. They could also have operated over the entire surface network too without restriction, something which will never apply to any A Stock in the future. If only some Russion billionaire would taken an interest in LU railway preservation!
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Post by mrfs42 on Jan 27, 2009 1:45:06 GMT
Why the F stock on the DC lines, mrfs42? Speed. There wouldn't be a lot of passengers, their 'swept envelope' would be fine and at least you could get them to the UndergrounD proper fairly quickly. Merely a pipe-dream and a bit of whimsy, but as the 'tanks' were renowned as crowd shifters, why not go the whole hog and rebuild two complete sets to be the two sets that come into service off Wembley Park when there is an evening event on?
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Post by metman on Jan 27, 2009 10:03:43 GMT
I wonder what top speed the F stock could have gone to? Did they have a weak field switch?
Re the CO/CP stock; it would be fantastic if the Quainton unit could be made operational again. As discussed before there is a spare CP car around too. If this could be combined with the R38 car (at Magnapps) which could be reconverted to Q stock and then turned into a CP DM we would have a 5 car, 2 compressor train! Bear in mind that when the Island line 38ts go in however many years there will be a supply of pcm and compressors! If the museum 38 and the CO/CP stock equipment could be partly standardised it would make life easier. Remember, cars 13056-14056-13197-14197 were fitted with spare 38ts pcm in 1955 as a trail.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 27, 2009 11:21:01 GMT
I believe two motors were used at the North end as the exits there were few on the Bakerloo. TP, what formations did the 5 cars run in? M-T-CT+T-M? Yes and any other formation you care to think of but usually with two motors at the ends. Some trains were "block trains" and others were uncoupling trains. As part of my new series for UN on the District I am going through old WTTs and these show that trains were made up in almost any formation you can think of, including trains which were too long for the platforms. They even ran a 12-car train for a while between Ealing & Hammersmith, where it was split into 2 x 6-car trains. On the Hampstead, for example, it was common to run 4-car trains as M-CT-T-M and uncouple the north end Motor car at Golders Green after the morning peak and leave it in the sidings just north of the platforms until it was coupled up again for the evening peak.
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Post by tubeprune on Jan 27, 2009 11:27:22 GMT
I wonder what top speed the F stock could have gone to? Did they have a weak field switch? I don't know what the top speed was. They didn't have speedos but 60 would be easily possible. They didn't have a weak field flag switch but they did have automatic field weakening.
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