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Post by 21146 on Dec 22, 2008 18:45:34 GMT
Off-forum but BVG ran a 2-car "C11" heritage train on Berlin U5 line yesterday www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3127631739/www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3127631373/in/photostream/www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3127630965/in/photostream/www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3127630647/in/photostream/www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3128458372/in/photostream/www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3127630103/in/photostream/www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/3128457822/in/photostream/I believe this design dates from 1929, which makes them akin to our Standard Stock, though they sound like 1938 Tube Stock. A nice touch was all the associated staff fully kitted-out in historic BVG uniforms, all hats, tunics, gilt buttons etc. What a contrast to the LTMs effort, with 'uniform' consisting of the inevitable hi-vi (totally absent in Berlin), tacky plastic name badges, Metronet t-shirts worn with blue or dayglo orange synthetic overall trousers, hi-vis worn whilst driving 'Sarah' or the '38' ruining the visual image etc. Come on London, we can do better! Lots of photographers active yesterday too, even with flash and tripods used and absolutely nothing said by BVG staff. Even ordinary Berliners stopped to take pix on mobiles whereas in London I bet most locals couldn't have cared less. And in the 8 hours I was there I didn't hear a single repetitive, hectoring, pre-recorded PA announcement on a station. Bliss!
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Post by astock5000 on Dec 22, 2008 21:08:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2008 23:20:31 GMT
A little more -
In 1926, the first 18-metre-long cars of class C1 were placed in service and were the subject of prolonged testing in passenger operation. There were 12 each of motors and trailers, while some had three and others had four doors per side. These cars introduced to Berliners the "flashing red light" which denoted the closing of the doors.
Series production of classes C2 and C3 followed in 1929/30 – these had two 100kW motors on the leading bogie and in service operated in motor-motor formation, there being no corresponding trailers. Externally, there was no difference between the two classes, but C2 had air brakes while C3 had electrical braking. The former, of which there were 114, were originally intended for service on line D and the latter, 30 in total, for line E. Finally in 1930, two motor cars and one trailer with aluminium bodywork were delivered, being classified C4. These showed a saving of four tonnes over the steel cars.
No fewer than 120 cars of class C were sent to Moscow as reparations in 1945. These were made up of 12 each of motors from the prototypes, 69 of class C2 and 27 of class C3. In Russia they became classes B1, B2 and B3 respectively – though the equivalent in the Roman alphabet would be ‘W’ – and the cars in class B1 were rebuilt as trailers. Probably about the end of the 1950s, all cars in class B1 became motors, receiving new Russian equipment and being reclassified B4, while around the same time, 13 cars of class C3 became trailers. In Moscow, the ex-Berlin cars were referred to as a “Special delivery”. They were withdrawn in 1965.
Of those that remained, all in West Berlin, the last ran in service on 30 April 1975 on line U8
The C class was seen as far superior to the previous B classes. Although there is a preserved BII train that runs on special occasions in Berlin, the preserved BI (the "tunnel owl" - oval cab windows aka F Stock!) has yet to be returned to working order.
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Post by Tom on Dec 22, 2008 23:43:55 GMT
What a contrast to the LTMs effort, with 'uniform' consisting of the inevitable hi-vi (totally absent in Berlin), tacky plastic name badges, Metronet t-shirts worn with blue or dayglo orange synthetic overall trousers, hi-vis worn whilst driving 'Sarah' or the '38' ruining the visual image etc. As one of the people in a Metronet T-Shirt at the time, if I was able to wear something more authentic I'd have done so. Sadly I don't and couldn't. Bearing in mind a number of us gave up our time to staff the train (personally while feeling quite unwell) if our appearance is going to be criticised perhaps I'll think twice before volunteering again.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 23, 2008 2:09:18 GMT
What a contrast to the LTMs effort, with 'uniform' consisting of the inevitable hi-vi (totally absent in Berlin), tacky plastic name badges, Metronet t-shirts worn with blue or dayglo orange synthetic overall trousers, hi-vis worn whilst driving 'Sarah' or the '38' ruining the visual image etc. As one of the people in a Metronet T-Shirt at the time, if I was able to wear something more authentic I'd have done so. Sadly I don't and couldn't. . Bearing in mind a number of us gave up our time to staff the train (personally while feeling quite unwell) if our appearance is going to be criticised perhaps I'll think twice before volunteering again. No. This is a hope that the LTM could take a lead on this. I don't expect anyone to order a bespoke 1960s, 50s, 20s Met/LT uniform off their own bat and at their own cost. Of course, it's easier for BVG to co-ordinate things as they're still one integrated company. Nor am I suggesting people leave off PPE when trackside or in depots for "authenticy" which would be quite ridiculous. But "period" uniforms were provided for a recent station event at Hendon Central, and I know the LTM was researching the production of a late-60s LT rail uniform for one of their actor guides "in character" as I supplied data (and 3 buttons!). It just looked so good and seemed such a pity LU can't do something similar.
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Post by Chris W on Dec 23, 2008 9:45:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 19:18:10 GMT
The car at Berlin Tegel Airport is an S-Bahn class 475, late-1920s vintage. I will check next week if it is still there!
Also, there was an S-Bahn class 476 (or 477 - can't remember which without some digging) at Schönefeld Airport about a year ago. Don't know if it is still there - won't be going that way this time though.
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Post by Tom on Dec 23, 2008 19:28:19 GMT
It was still there in May, in use as a diner or similar IIRC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 20:05:57 GMT
Also, there was an S-Bahn class 476 (or 477 - can't remember which without some digging) at Schönefeld Airport about a year ago. Don't know if it is still there - won't be going that way this time though. I think this would be it - a class 477 according to the number - S-Bahn cafe Schoenefeld
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Post by Tom on Dec 23, 2008 20:18:49 GMT
No. This is a hope that the LTM could take a lead on this. With the benefit of hindsight, point taken. TBH, I would tend to agree about Hi-Vis being worn, it detracts no end from photos - especially ones taken underground! However I suspect the LTM may not be so keen on the uptake, as the volunteer list changes every time and they'd need a lot of different uniform sizes. I think they also tend to get a lot of flack (not from the enthusiast community) for wanting to run the trains in the first place!
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Post by Chris W on Dec 24, 2008 10:49:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2008 11:13:03 GMT
Yes, the class 477 has indeed finished - the last ran on 02.11.2003 on a special event that took place on S3 between Ostbahnhof and Erkner. Several of the trains on that service that day were class 477s.
The last day of the 476 class was on 04.07.2000, but there was no special event for this.
However, the last day of the class 475 was celebrated in real style on 21.12.1997. Sadly I wasn't there but it was very well recorded.
On New Year's Eve this year, I will be on the Historische S-Bahn Preservation Group's tour, as I was last year. Then it comprised the superbly restored "Olympia" four-car set and a two-car 1928 Stadtbahn (class 475) set. We set off from Potsdamer Platz at about 22.00, ran to Potsdam, reversed and back via S7 along the Stadtbahn, stopping at about 23.55 on the viaduct between Hauptbahnhof and Friedrichstraße to watch the fireworks going off at midnight. The S-Bahn's Panoramic train also pulled up nose to nose on the opposite track at the same time. At about 00.10 we then set off again, having a loo stop at Ostbahnhof and then a trip around the southern part of the Ring. It was planned to finish about 01.30 at Ostbahnhof. However, there was a points failure at Treptower Park which would have prevented us from going round the Ring in the inner rail (clockwise) direction. So instead of cancelling the rest of the tour and getting rid of everyone, we ran to Lichtenberg, reversed in the depot sidings and went round the Ring in the other direction! We thus finished about an hour later at about 02.30 - wunderbar!! Not surprisingly there were no complaints about this late runner!! On the train food and drinks were served (and a never-ending supply of Gluhwein), and champagne was served for the midnight stop. A truly wonderful event with great credit to the S-Bahn Berlin for allowing it to operate and to the Historische S-Bahn Preservation Group for operating it so professionally.
Must fly ........
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