metman
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Post by metman on Dec 17, 2008 22:03:38 GMT
The former guard's positions on the A stock are quite sizable. Also noticable are the panels used to cover over the former controls. What is behind these? Any old equipment? Also why do some panels have hinges on them and most don't?
Interestingly the other day I saw two double end units working in number order at Finchley Road 5120-5121+5122-5123, and at Northwood car 5026 using set number 426! Funny old world! ;D
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Post by roythebus on Dec 17, 2008 23:30:27 GMT
Having worked on the A60s as a guard, a couple of the panels had guards equipment fuses, such as doors, lights etc. What remains I can't answer as I've not been on a moderised one yet!
The guard used to have to deliver newspapers too. From about 1100, the Evening News and Evening Standard would be delivered to BS by van, usually a Bedford Dormobile with sliding doors. the papers would be ready bundled and the guard had to drop them off at outlying stations.
There was also a fair quantity of internal mail in hampers. Most of this would end up at Edgware Road for further sorting. A couple of semi-retired men lurked in offices under the outer rail stairs for the mail sorting. They also had an illicit source of mail in these hampers in the form of "smutty" literature which seemed to be in abundance on the railways in those days!!
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Post by 21146 on Dec 18, 2008 0:38:25 GMT
When first converted to OPO the T/Op still had to energise the door controls in the cab by inserting a guard's key in the slot on the Guard's gangway (the slot was cut to allow the gey to be withdrawn in the 'on' position). Although the Guard's control panels had been replaced by plain panels, the contacts remained live behind and there were suggestions that in certain circumstances, if this panel was given a good shove in the right places, the passenger doors could be opened between stations. Either way a further modification during refurbishment removed any such possibility,
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Post by 21146 on Dec 18, 2008 0:45:02 GMT
Having worked on the A60s as a guard, a couple of the panels had guards equipment fuses, such as doors, lights etc. What remains I can't answer as I've not been on a moderised one yet! The guard used to have to deliver newspapers too. From about 1100, the Evening News and Evening Standard would be delivered to BS by van, usually a Bedford Dormobile with sliding doors. the papers would be ready bundled and the guard had to drop them off at outlying stations. There was also a fair quantity of internal mail in hampers. Most of this would end up at Edgware Road for further sorting. A couple of semi-retired men lurked in offices under the outer rail stairs for the mail sorting. They also had an illicit source of mail in these hampers in the form of "smutty" literature which seemed to be in abundance on the railways in those days!! Such "material" was often found in litter bins or on emergency stairs, the implication being that "city gents" bought it in Soho, and having, ehem, "used it to their satisfaction", couldn't take it home to the wife. The pre-internet age, eh? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 2:09:43 GMT
I have heard of material of that kind even being shown on projectors within company premises (cough cough)
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Post by ruislip on Dec 19, 2008 0:38:56 GMT
I remember the guard's panel on A stocks being parallel to the doors--where on tube-size stocks and other SSL stocks they were perpendicular to the doors. Was this the only example on LT's rolling stock of yore?
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Post by roythebus on Dec 19, 2008 10:18:54 GMT
I have heard of material of that kind even being shown on projectors within company premises (cough cough) Quite. when booking on for a late Saturday at Ricky, i noticed a flickering light in the first aid room and voices. Thinking there was a a first aid talk going on, I was somewhat surprised to note a filrm of a lady being given a rather different sort of mouth-to-mouth.. |
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Post by 21146 on Dec 19, 2008 10:58:52 GMT
I have heard of material of that kind even being shown on projectors within company premises (cough cough) Quite. when booking on for a late Saturday at Ricky, i noticed a flickering light in the first aid room and voices. Thinking there was a a first aid talk going on, I was somewhat surprised to note a film of a lady being given a rather different sort of mouth-to-mouth.. Well those were the days when 'Playboy' calenders were commonplace, and Instructors at the RTC were free to talk about "big cocks" and "little cocks" without causing offence. |
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Post by roythebus on Dec 19, 2008 15:49:29 GMT
Yep, when they're up they're in, when they're down they're out!
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Post by metman on Dec 20, 2008 3:26:39 GMT
Oh Gosh!
Ruislip, I think you're right. The C and D stock had their panels in the bulkhead of the cab!
The CO stock also had the same arrangement and the CP, F and Q/R stock had their panels positioned in the same way as the tube stock.
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Post by ruislip on Dec 20, 2008 14:56:50 GMT
Didn't the '83 stock have its guard controls in each cab? I got a glimpse of this the other night when I watched the video from Sir Paul McCartney's mid-80s hit Press--where it showed the former Beatle alight from a Jubilee train at Swiss Cottage/St John's Wood.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 20, 2008 15:47:06 GMT
Oh Gosh! Ruislip, I think you're right. The C and D stock had their panels in the bulkhead of the cab! The CO stock also had the same arrangement and the CP, F and Q/R stock had their panels positioned in the same way as the tube stock. Weren't D Stock guard's open buttons behind him/her on the L/H and R/H driver's consoles? Only the cab door open/close, selective re-open and selective close buttons were on the bulkhead. |
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Post by metman on Dec 20, 2008 17:03:51 GMT
I'm not too sure, I thought they were behind the driver? In reality, all stock after 1972 and the C stock was designed to go OPO.
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