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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 12:52:36 GMT
Just saw this from thetube.com:
DISTRICT LINE: Minor Delays are occurring on the Olympia branch only due to non-availability of staff.
Message received 10:59am
Would this be a case of not enough drivers actually booked on, or drivers being in the wrong place at the wrong time etc. ?
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Post by Christopher J on Mar 11, 2006 12:56:01 GMT
Or just nobody wants to drive the Olympias? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2006 13:32:06 GMT
they only need 2 drivers as there is only 2 trains which operate the olympia service but it might have something to do with a dispute i heard which is involving acton town drivers
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 11, 2006 15:44:54 GMT
Presumably the Olympia service is a "sacreficial lamb", the first to be chopped if staff are short (rather like the Picc Uxbridge service when there's a cockup).
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Post by Colin on Mar 12, 2006 2:02:01 GMT
The Olympia service is often the first to suffer whenever problems arise, as operationally it's a pain (!!). When wider problems occur such as a suspension east of Earls Court, the bay roads at High Street Kensington become very useful - providing the Olympia trains don't get in the way! Other reasons could include a large gap to one of the western termini's, which can result in one of the Olympia trains being 'borrowed' to cover the said gap. Infact, the later will be occuring on a regular basis at peak times when the new timetable comes into operation in June - thanks for that should be directed towards Putney's conservative party 'District line enemy' Justine Greening (my personal view, not that of the forum's BTW [/rant] ). Anyway, back on topic!! ;D We have been in dispute at Acton depot since January 2005, refusing to 'remote book on/off' at Earls Court. This has resulted in trains being cancelled every day, to a plan devised by management. The Olympia service has never been included in those 'plans' directly, but this occasion may have an indirect connection......
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Post by Tomcakes on Mar 12, 2006 13:25:58 GMT
What happens to the Olympia trains when the service is suspended? Do they go to Parsons Green (IIRC they won't fit into the Triangle Sidings), or to a depot (such as Ealing) (assuming in this case the trains aren't being sent out to cover a service gap).
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Post by trainopd78 on Mar 12, 2006 14:18:54 GMT
What happens to the Olympia trains when the service is suspended? Do they go to Parsons Green (IIRC they won't fit into the Triangle Sidings), or to a depot (such as Ealing) (assuming in this case the trains aren't being sent out to cover a service gap). It all depends what time the cancellation occurs. If its just 1 or 2 drivers short during the day, then the train will be stabled at Parsons Green to be brought back in later. If its towards the end of the traffic day then the train will be stabled early at Ealing common depot. One of the trains stables at Upminster so if the last driver for that train was unavailable then I expect it would stable early at Upminster very early to enable the spare driver to get back to his/ her home depot before booking off time, and of course to enable that driver to get the last train back west to get home again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 19:37:28 GMT
Infact, the later will be occuring on a regular basis at peak times when the new timetable comes into operation in June - thanks for that should be directed towards Putney's conservative party 'District line enemy' Justine Greening (my personal view, not that of the forum's BTW [/rant] ). Well I wonder what Justine Greenings fellow Kensington Conservative MP Malcolm Rifkind will say when he finds that he has a big wait for a train from Kensington Olympia, and finds that one of those trains have been diverted to Putney!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 19:51:05 GMT
What difference will the new District timetable make in June to trains on the Wimbledon branch? On another point could someone tell me why Acton drivers are in dispute over book on book offs at Earls Court when a few years ago they were doing it everyday on the duty sheets?
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Post by Colin on Mar 12, 2006 21:13:02 GMT
What difference will the new District timetable make in June to trains on the Wimbledon branch? The new timetable has not been finalised AFAIK, but the train taken from the Olympia service is supposed to be added to the Wimbledon branch in the peaks. On another point could someone tell me why Acton drivers are in dispute over book on book offs at Earls Court when a few years ago they were doing it everyday on the duty sheets? A few years ago we were paid travelling time between Acton Town and Earls Court. Acton Town depot is now one of the only depots that does this with drivers travelling in their own time, whilst the company has 'local agreements' with other depots to pay their staff. This presents an unfair situation, with morale being rather low to say the least. Acton Town drivers are basically seeking to aquire equal status with other depots on the combine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 22:24:35 GMT
If they divert one of the OLY units to the Wimbledon line in the peaks that'll mean the peak OLY service will be every 30 mins....that can't be right!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 23:24:42 GMT
I think it's only one train in the morning peak that's going to be diverted from OLY to WIM.
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Post by Colin on Mar 12, 2006 23:46:51 GMT
If they divert one of the OLY units to the Wimbledon line in the peaks that'll mean the peak OLY service will be every 30 mins....that can't be right!! I kid you not - there will be at least one 30 minute gap on the Olympia road - wether it definately affects both peaks or just the morning peak depends on who you listen to......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2006 23:49:38 GMT
30 mins!!!! That's an eternity on LU. That means the LU service and Silverlink service along the West London Line will be on a par at one point in the peak. Great stuff!
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Post by Colin on Mar 12, 2006 23:56:11 GMT
Like I said earlier - thank Justine Greening (MP, Conservative - Putney). She said in her winning speech at the last election that she was 'gonna sort out the District line'. Nice to see she's doing a good job of running a balanced service offering the best possible travel options for all users - and showing awareness of the safety of LUL staff when dealing with customers that love to wait 30 minutes. . I actually thought we were supposed to improve 'our service' whenever possible, not reduce it........ (As stated earlier also, this is my personal view - not that of the forum!!)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2006 0:02:10 GMT
(As stated earlier also, this is my personal view - not that of the forum!!) I don't think you're the only one that thinks that Colin. It seems ludicrous to me too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2006 0:46:00 GMT
I have been awaiting my own train at Earl's Court to be bombarded with irate passengers awaiting the Olympia train, when enquiry of the DMT found it had gone to Wimbledon "to cover a gap". I told them it happens all the time and they should complain. If Chelsea are at home you can guarantee at least one Olympia train will divert to Parsons Green to assist with football traffic ....sometimes both Olympia trains are sent there ! Frankly it's a disgrace ! The Olympia trains are often diverted to cover gaps on the Ealing or Richmond branches, when the 5 min service to Wimbledon means a C stock would be much better sent along ! Of course diverting an Olympia train means more than one trip to Olympia is lost because of the respective running times. Less often running towards High Street the Olympia is sent to Mansion House to cover a gap (loosing an Olympia in the process). Also know it sent to Plaistow. Seeing a returning Olympia running through the city is a novelty though ! As for the new time table I haven't heard anything ...but at the moment Train 152 starts at Upminster 07.53 to Ealing Bdy 9.44 to High Street then 10.17 to Olympia. (ending the day with a direct 23.37 Olympia to Upminster). 151 is on Olympias all day and 127 works the morning Olympias until 152 gets there. One would have thought T 152 could work direct Upminster to Olympia, releasing 127 early to bolster the peak Wimbledon's. Loosing only an against the flow Earl's - Ealing and a peak shoulders Ealing - Earl's of modest value. Ealing has inter-peak stablers going there anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2006 17:53:33 GMT
Thank you Colin for your answers on new District timetable and on the Acton Town dispute.
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Post by Colin on Mar 13, 2006 21:29:19 GMT
No problem ;D
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