LTSR/c2c and District Line stations

All the stations east of Bow Road were LTSR/Midland/LMSR - although I believe Elm Park and Upminster Bridge (opened subsequent to the extension of the 'District' electrification to Upminster in 1932) were only ever served by 'District' trains - until 1948 this section was owned by the LMSR and its predecessors (Midland & LTSR). AIUI the service (on this stretch) was technically an LMSR one (rather than, but indistinguishable from, an LPTB one) - for which a proportion of the District fleet was owned by the LMSR.

It should be remembered that the District was the interloper onto this line - it was only after nationalisation that its tracks were transferred into the LT fold - and full segregation didn't occur until the early 1960's.

Some blue BR 'totems' from this stretch (e.g. Bromley) was sold recently at auction and reached c£400 each which I thougt quite reasonable.

At the stations where platforms still exist, but of course are now disused, can these be used in an 'Emergency' to de-train a c2c train ?

Definitly East Ham and Plaistow can, there are gates to WB District line platforms and notices on the c2c side informing passengers not to leave the train unless autherised by staff, I assume the others are the same.

I don't know what, if any, LUL plans are in place to deal with C2C detrainments onto NR tracks nowadays. This is much rarer since slam-door stock was withdrawn but is still possible, even if only in 'unauthorised' mode. No doubt LU risk assessment would demand all LUL trains halted and traction current switched off rather than run at caution as occured in the 70s and 80s! Of course such NR incidents are nothing to do with LU and the latter has no obligation to assist in theory but reality is somewhat different. Something has to be done with passengers in this situation and logically they are going to make their way to the nearest LUL station whether directed to or not, so the staff there would have to respond to this.

Even when authorised by C2C or NR staff, given the state of the disused NR platforms these can only be regarded as 'track', and not a place of safety, with all the attendent tripping hazards etc.

I think LU station staff are able to act as 'good neighbours' and offer 'mutual aid' to adjacent train services as long as this does not involve untrained LU staff going onto NR tracks.

In the case of a serious incident - i.e. collision or derailment, this all becomes rather academic in that you end up with everybody on the tracks, trained or not, in hi-vis or not; for at least the first hour or so until formal incident management/site access control is able to be instituted.

In the 1980s when I was a commuter in the old slam door trains something held up the BR line and we detrained at one of the unused stations and went through the gate onto the District platform and a member of the station staff was saying, "You can't come through here you haven't got the right tickets!" Everyone ignored him. I'm sure I had the right ticket as I could travel to Upminster by either line.