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Post by igelkotten on May 16, 2005 9:27:04 GMT
Shortly after 08:00 this morning, a northbound train to Hjulsta on the Blue line here in Stockholm caught fire and had to be evacuated.
According to reports, passengers in the train heard a loud bang from the last car of the train (composed of old stock, probably C6 or C14) already between the stations of Duvbo and Rissne, and when the train arrived at the next station, Rinkeby, there was a very heavy smoke condition.
Passengers were evacuated from the train, and the station, partly by letting a southbound train reverse at Rinkeby. Since the smoke was very heavy, both the station and the surrounding area of Rinkeby had to be evacuated. At times, visibility was less than a metre, according to the rescue services.
The heavy smoke made it impossible for the driver, an attending line supervisor and a few passengers to evacuate at Rinkeby, forcing them to walk in the tunnel to Rissne.
The fire brigade and rescue services did have some difficulties reaching the train at first, due to the high heat and very heavy smoke, but eventually succeeded in extinguishing the fire at about 09:40.
As a small blessing, the train was travelling against the flow of the morning peak, and was thus relatively lightly loaded.
Several passengers, as well as staff, are now under medical treatment for smoke inhalation, as well as some bruises and sprains from the evacuation. Fortunately, it seems that noone was seriously injured.
The fact that the fire started within a car, as well as the speed with which it spread, and the extremely heavy smoke, has made the police treat it as a "suspicious fire", and a full technical investigation is to be conducted.
The car itself is described as heavily damaged, and might very well be a total loss.
Rinkeby station is closed until further notice, and buses replace the service between Västra Skogen and Hjulsta.
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Post by Dmitri on May 16, 2005 11:30:16 GMT
That explains why I don't like brakes tied to the PA as it is done on a LU rolling stock. The most tragic mishap in xUSSR metros happened in Baku, when driver stopped a smouldering train between stations. When similar event happened 20.04.1987 in Moscow, driver continued to the next station, alarming Line Controller on the way. The only person who needed treatment afterwards was Station Assistant (smoke inhalation). Last cars burned to ashes: Source: metro.molot.ru/crash_pav.shtml
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Post by Colin on May 16, 2005 11:35:47 GMT
This has to be the worst situation staff and passengers could come across. It's pleasing to read that not one person was fatally injured.
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Post by trainopd78 on May 16, 2005 14:54:28 GMT
That explains why I don't like brakes tied to the PA as it is done on a LU rolling stock. Although the passenger alarm is linked to the braking system, if we are "pulled down" between stations we can hit the BOD (Brake override device) pedal and that releases the brake and allows us to continue to the next station where help can be more easily given, or get everyone out asap.
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Post by Tom on May 16, 2005 15:46:46 GMT
I've just finished speaking to Igelkotten, the latest news is that Engineer's loco 9201 was sent to Rinkeby this afternoon to move the stock back to Hammarby Workshops for further investigation.
Services on the Red Line this afternoon peak will be a train every ten minutes, suggesting that all the peak hour extra trains (and Line 13 shuttles) have been cancelled. (These are all booked to be operated by Cx stock, the type involved in this morning's fire.)
I'm sure he will be along later to post a further update.
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Post by Admin Team on May 16, 2005 18:57:56 GMT
I'm truly sorry to hear of this dreadful incident and I think on behalf of all 'our' staff can say there but for the Grace of God go I (or we!).
I hope you'll keep us posted as to the investigations into the incident; as the police seem to be speculating this doesn't entirely sound like an accident.
But thankfully those involved have escaped relatively unscathed, and I hope all recover without difficulty.
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Post by igelkotten on May 17, 2005 0:54:17 GMT
Well, it didn't take much investigation to have that "sabotage" theory fall to pieces, despite certain press officers among the police force and Connex seemingly being in love with the idea.
As it turns out, it seems to be something of a nostalgia extravaganza: A traction motor fire, much on the lines of the ones we had on the C4 stock back in the mid nineties.
Based upon what I have heard from colleagues, certain people who were on site and a few other sources, this is my take on what might have happened. I must point out that the formal investigation has only just begun, so I could be talking utter ball hooks here.
Anyhow; car no. 1301, a C14 stock car, thyristor controlled and delivered in 1986, running in a married pair with car 1300, was the seventh car in the eight-car train 324 on line 10. On it's way north from the central station to Hjulsta, something went wrong with the traction system. The driver tried tripping and resetting the line breakers and contactors a few times -accounting for the "bangs underneath the car" some passengers reported having heard.
Somewhere around Duvbo-Rissne, something happened with the traction motors in one of the bogies -possibly a heavy flashover or a short circuit. This, in turn, started a fire, and probably sent some extreme surges through the high voltage circuits, in turn causing more damage. A fire started, probably in the motor and then spreading to other underside equipment. A mixture of oil, iron filings and dust -the usual gunk caked on a car's underside- started to smoulder, giving off tremendous amounts of smoke.
As the train arrived at Rissne, other staff had already began alerting line control that they could smell smoke, and seen a bit of smoke come wafting throuhg a tunnel. Then, the driver of train 324 broke in with an emergency message over the radio, stating that he had a heavy smoke condition and a fully developed fire in his train.
From thereon, things proceeded much as I have described above. One of the supervisors responding to the scene described the car as "jumping in place,with a terrible screeching noise" and also observed extremely heavy arcing from the underbody equipment.
On the car, at least one motor bogie, the resistance grids, the line filters and inductors and a few other things are reportedly mostly molten slag. Likewise, in the car itself, the passenger saloon has seen extensive damage, and the solebars apparently looked "kinda weird".
It is worth noting that the rolling stock maintenance company, Tågia, has recently faced severe criticism for shortcomings in the maintenace of the rolling stock -including traction motor maintenance.
Another intersting issue is how the fire could catch on so quickly, and how it could become so violent. This gives rise to all sorts of question marks over the materials used in the refurbishemnts of these cars, as well as the maintenance.
Our local Health & Safety reps stopped the use of all non-C20 stock in the metro today, leading to uttter chaos on the red line during the afternoon peak. This was due to uncertainity over the techincal status of the cars and whether they were safe to run in service or not. The Health & Safety Inspectorate has withdrawn this stop late tonight, but it is not clear whether Connex will accept using old stock tomorrow, or even if Tågia or Stockholm Transport will allow the old stock to be used. It might be that C14 stock is sidelined for a few days, but C6 is permitted to run in service tomorrow.
As I said, to me, and quite a few other old-timers, this sounds like a repeat of the C4 fire epidemic from the mid ninties -overworked and under maintained cars eventually do break down, sometimes in a spectacular fashion.
I would no be all that surprised if I learned that certain Tågia managers were covered in cold sweat right now.
As of 01:00 this morning, the clearign of the station was still in progress. While the plan is for the station to be back in service tomorrow, there are still a lot of things to do and investigate befor that is possible. Not to mention the clean-up. And getting rid of the smell of burnt rubber and cabling!
The damaged cars had, when I went home, still not been transferred to Hammarby for investigation yet. It might be that they will conduct the investigation in Rissne depot, or the cars will be moved at a later date.
Oh, and since the accident is deemed as being of "extraordinary interest, and having possibly very sever consequences", it is going to be investigated by the national Accident Investigations Board, not the Railway Inspectorate. This is about as high up in the accident investigations chain you can go within the country.
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Post by igelkotten on May 17, 2005 1:03:49 GMT
And a few images from various Swedish newspapers:
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Post by trainopd78 on May 17, 2005 8:16:11 GMT
Metronet seem intent on running "our" trains into ground too. Anything reported to depot and proved by a road fitter is then not found in the depot and returned to service in the state it was reported. All defects have to be repaired within a set period of time, otherwise Metronet is penalised. However, if no defect is found, they get off scot free and penalties are no more.
There is going to be a time where we will suffer the same fate through metronets unwillingness to play ball. I'm not suggesting that our trains are unsafe, otherwise you wouldn't find me driving one, but we are going to have a train sit down with a rather large defect sooner or later.
I got a phone call from a past trainee the other day with an MA defect. He'd got it into Parsons Green sidings out of service and was just confirming with me that he'd done the correct thing, which of course he had. The Ma was running erratically and the batteries were virtually dead as a result. I'd reported the same unit 3 weeks ago with the first signs of that defect and got a changeover!!
The fitter turned up. Now who this fitter was, god only knows, but according to this fitter, if you get tripped the ma light goes out!! How did this driver get the train limping into the sidings if the train had no train line air because if was tripped!! and since when do you lose your MA indications when you get tripped. These are meant to be professional road fitters who also spend time in the depots maintaining trains.
I told the driver to put this in his trainmans report should he be required to make one. The thing that wound me up about it, is that certain DMT's have no knowledge of trains. This driver could have been up for an aggrivated SPAD on the words of this alleged muppet fitter.
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Post by igelkotten on May 17, 2005 9:55:46 GMT
Today, I have recieved confirmation that all cars of C14 and C15 stock have been taken out of service pending technical investigation. C6 and C9 stock, however, will remain in service. Which is a bit eyebrow-raising, because while the traction control technology differs (C6 are camshaft controlled, C9 have an early variant of thyristor control), the traction motors are the same, and it seems as if the traction motors are one of the main culprits in this incident.
Anyhow, this means that there will be several cancelled and short-formed trains on the red and blue line today, including during the peak hours.
Rinkeby station has not been opened at the time I am writing this, but trains run to Sundbybergs Centrum on the Hjulsta branch. Buses replace the service between Sundbybergs Centrum and Hjulsta. The Akallla service is unaffected, except by the stock shortage.
Apparently, the fire did cause some damage to the station, too, but I do not know if signalling or power supply have been affected. I can imagine that the cables in the cable run next to the platform where the fire took place have to be replaced, though.
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Post by Dmitri on May 17, 2005 10:48:27 GMT
Although the passenger alarm is linked to the braking system, if we are "pulled down" between stations we can hit the BOD (Brake override device) pedal and that releases the brake and allows us to continue to the next station where help can be more easily given, or get everyone out asap. I know, but won't it be more pleasant for you to hear something like 'Hi chief, something has just exploded under the train, and the car is full of smoke, can you take care of that, please?' over the intercom instead of PA buzzer ?
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Post by Dmitri on May 17, 2005 11:02:03 GMT
Today, I have recieved confirmation that all cars of C14 and C15 stock have been taken out of service pending technical investigation. C6 and C9 stock, however, will remain in service. Which is a bit eyebrow-raising, because while the traction control technology differs (C6 are camshaft controlled, C9 have an early variant of thyristor control), the traction motors are the same, and it seems as if the traction motors are one of the main culprits in this incident. Thanks for keeping us informed. BTW, all our metro trains are equipped with powder type fire extinguishing system since 1994 - a worthwhile idea, I'd say.
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Post by Colin on May 17, 2005 11:19:13 GMT
I know, but won't it be more pleasant for you to hear something like 'Hi chief, something has just exploded under the train, and the car is full of smoke, can you take care of that, please?' over the intercom instead of PA buzzer ? Of course when we eventually get the refurbed D stocks into service ( ;D), they are fitted with a talkback facility, which means we'll be able to find out why the handle has been operated without leaving the cab.
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Post by igelkotten on May 17, 2005 11:46:49 GMT
Thanks for keeping us informed. BTW, all our metro trains are equipped with powder type fire extinguishing system since 1994 - a worthwhile idea, I'd say. Perhaps I should mention that our cars are also fitted with an emergency brake override -if the train has travelled more than about 5o metres, or exceeded 20 km/h, the passenger saloon emergency brake handles only trigger an alarm in the cab. When I next stop the train and opens the passenger saloon doors, the train goes into emergency and remains so until the handle in the passenger saloon is reset. Dmitri, do you mean that your cars are fitted with a sort of sprinkler system, but with powder instead of water? Or do you mean that there is a handheld chemical fire extinguisher in every car? We use exclusively chemical ones -the ones filled with essentially baking powder- on the trains, and some equipment rooms are fitted with C0 2 extinguishers. If your cars are fitted with some sort of central chemical extingushing system, I would be very interested in reading more about that.
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Post by Admin Team on May 17, 2005 13:19:32 GMT
If your cars are fitted with some sort of central chemical extingushing system, I would be very interested in reading more about that. And I think I speak on behalf of my London Underground colleagues that we'd like to know too. I assume this is the same sort of powder system that's used in racing cars; I know it's supposed to be very effective.
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Post by Tom on May 17, 2005 21:14:52 GMT
And I think I speak on behalf of my London Underground colleagues that we'd like to know too. I assume this is the same sort of powder system that's used in racing cars; I know it's supposed to be very effective. If it's the stuff I'm thinking of (used to be in Blue extinguishers) I don't think it can be used in confined spaces (that unfortunately includes most of the tube).
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Post by igelkotten on May 17, 2005 23:48:00 GMT
I do know that most modern Metro stock in use in Spain do incorporate a sprinkler system for fire extinguishing, but that is based on water with certain additives, similar to the AFFF foam used by fire services.
Spain, by the way, has some very impressive Metro systems. And they keep building extensions, and getting them done within the timeplan and under budget. Must be something in the water, or something.
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Post by Admin Team on May 18, 2005 20:06:35 GMT
As my colleagues here will confirm, LU is replacing (at least on the stations) the water extinguishers with AFFF type.
I know that the dry powder type of extinguishers are not ideal in a confined space and I'm no expert as to the degree of 'risk' involved.
But - and perhaps I'm being simple here - surely a few people affected by inhalation of a powder irritant is preferable to many severly damaged by the effects of fire and smoke inhalation?
(Makes mental note to raise this at next fire training refresher............)
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Post by Dmitri on May 19, 2005 7:29:37 GMT
Dmitri, do you mean that your cars are fitted with a sort of sprinkler system, but with powder instead of water? Or do you mean that there is a handheld chemical fire extinguisher in every car? Yes, there are handheld fire extinguishers (CO 2 kind) in every car. I've seen them in action twice (driver 'treated' a smouldering saloon lamp). But I meant another thing... www.epotos.com/igla/igla_m5kt.htmAutomatic fire detection and extinguishing system "IGLA-M.5K-T" Purpose. System is intended to discover fires inside protected compartments of Metro cars, extinguinsh them and monitor extinguinshing efficiency. System can extinguinsh solid inflammable materials, inflammable liquids and electric equipment unger the voltage up to 5000 V. Principle of operation. Heat notifiers and powder extinguishing modules are installed unside inflammable compartments being protected. Heat notifiers use a battery of serially connected thermocouples as thermosensitive element. If temperature inside a protected compartment raises above 72±3 o and/or increases faster then 5 o/second, a visual and audible warning is triggered inside driver's cab. Central Indication Unit displayes information about fire - car number and name of the compartment where temperature raises. If fire has been detected, system discharges current on the affected car to prevent arcing. After that, in 3 seconds extinguishing modules are engaged. All information is represented on Central Indication Unit in real time.
As entire Moscow (more than 90% undergroung) and St. Petersburg Metros (entirely underground, except depots) are equipped with 'Igla' system, I don't think it can posess a health hazard. At least, powder is not poisonous . And it will snap into action inside a car only if there is a fire there; if traction motor (or another underfloor equipment) would catch fire (more likely event), extinguishing powder may aviod saloon completely. Side note: I've translated only the most interesting parts of the page I've reffered above; if you need entire page to be translated, drop me a note.
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Post by igelkotten on May 20, 2005 0:09:52 GMT
Dmitri: Very interesting, and thank you for the link!
Do you have any idea about how reliable the system is in use? Any false alarms etc? And do you have any idea about the cost of such a unit?
Dave: Are chemical powder extinguishers really considered hazardous in the UK? Here in Sweden, we are thaught that they contain essentially baking powder, and while people might sneeze and get a bit runny eyes if you let off a blast in their faces, there is absolutely no danger of a more severe health hazard.
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Post by Admin Team on May 20, 2005 9:45:26 GMT
Dave: Are chemical powder extinguishers really considered hazardous in the UK? Here in Sweden, we are thaught that they contain essentially baking powder, and while people might sneeze and get a bit runny eyes if you let off a blast in their faces, there is absolutely no danger of a more severe health hazard. I think the word I'd use is probably'undesirable' rather than hazardous, though I'll happily stand corrected on this. So far as I can recall I've only ever seen them used in small and confined spaces - hence my reference to racing cars, and I think quite a few other 'engine space' type environments too - I know they're popular amongst the boating community for automatic systems where they (again) discharge into a confined space.
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Post by igelkotten on May 20, 2005 11:05:52 GMT
I think the word I'd use is probably'undesirable' rather than hazardous, though I'll happily stand corrected on this. So far as I can recall I've only ever seen them used in small and confined spaces - hence my reference to racing cars, and I think quite a few other 'engine space' type environments too - I know they're popular amongst the boating community for automatic systems where they (again) discharge into a confined space. Heh. I think we have stumbled on yet another one of those interesting little cultural differences between Sweden and Britain -much like the pouring of water on windshields to deice them. Here in Sweden, chemical extinguishers are the absolutely most common ones, both in industrial and domestic use. It is, in fact, the type of extinguisher recommended for home use by our fire services, since they are effective against all sorts of fires. In fact, the water extinguishers I have seen on the trains in London would probably be prohibited in Sweden, because of the electrical hazard. Naught as queer as folk, I suppose!
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Post by Tom on May 20, 2005 12:11:36 GMT
Ours are de-ionised water (or water with additive, depending on who you listen to). Apparently they're safe to use on electrics, though I wouldn't like to put that to the test...
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Post by Phil on May 20, 2005 13:32:06 GMT
Apparently they're safe to use on electrics, though I wouldn't like to put that to the test... Exactly: who WOULD be the first to dare, given that we are all given exhaustive instructions about what to use where? I doubt if I would, even if there were no dry powder or CO2 ones to hand. OK if you KNOW the electric's off .....but otherwise
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Post by solidbond on May 20, 2005 21:34:47 GMT
Ours are de-ionised water (or water with additive, depending on who you listen to). Apparently they're safe to use on electrics, though I wouldn't like to put that to the test... IIRC they are safe to use on train fires, providing traction current is switched off first. ie, they are suitable if there is only low voltage current, but not high voltage current present.
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Post by igelkotten on May 21, 2005 10:00:07 GMT
And an update on the situation regarding the fire:
The day after the fire, Rinkeby station was closed, with buses replacing the stretch between Sundbyberg and Tensta, and a special shuttle service operating between Tensta-Hjulsta. The next day, Rinkeby station was reopened, and service over the whole of the blue line resumed.
The health & safety reps stopped all old stock from operating in service at first, but this was then later amended after a series of metteings between the ivolved companies and authorities to stopping only C14 and C15 stocks -the ones involved in the accident. This meant that the service on the blue line was severly disrupted, and there were also some cancellations on the red line, due to lack of stock.
There has been an extraordinary amount of mudslinging between the various involved parties -SL, Connex, Tågia, various politicians and the leadership of the larger trade union, SEKO. Much of this has been conducted via evening tabloids, too.
As to the fire itself, there are still a lot of question marks, and not a lot of solid information to go by. However, the fire seems to have started somewhere around the 700V line breaker. It also appears that the brake line on the car burst, leading the compressor to switch on and blow compressed air straight into the fire, thus making a sort of miniature blast furnace underneath the car.
It is quite sobering to note that the train line pipe is very close to the brake line pipe, and it could just as easily have been that one that burst. In that case, I fear that we would have had a much, much worse situation on our hands now.
Due to the fire, large parts of the electrical system melted down and randomly short-circuited itself, leading among other things to 700V being sent into the 36V system and across the coupler faces, actually damaging all cars in the train. This was disvocered during the technical investigation of the train in Rissne depot, when a technician activated a seemingly undamaged car, only to have it catch fire.
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Post by igelkotten on May 28, 2005 9:37:29 GMT
And yet another update:
It seems more and more likely that the line switches were the culprit in the fire. A preliminary report from the investigative team pointed to certain problems with the construction of the linebreaker itself. This lead to a second withdrawal of all C14/C15 stock, for a second round of special inspections.
The service on the red and blue line were again disrupted, although not as hard as the first time. The blue line has borrowed several trains from us on the green line to shore up their services.
Of course, some genius decided to send over several of the cars fitted with HVAC in the driver cabs to the blue line, which is mostly deep underground and rather chilly, just as summer really started to get going. I wonder when we will get them back...
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