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Post by 21146 on Nov 19, 2008 18:33:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 21:02:34 GMT
Most excellent... I would prefer if this tiling was 'faux-restored' and kept visible....
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Post by Ben on Nov 19, 2008 22:07:23 GMT
When would it have been covered up?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 22:19:43 GMT
When that hideous grey/white/black 'arch' stuff appeared.
I shall have to consult the book by Douglas Rose - Tiles of the Unexpected - for an approximate date.
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Post by slant40 on Nov 22, 2008 20:22:56 GMT
That is a very nice shade of green - I assume that was the color it was originally picked out in - and I agree, it should be restored if possible. Did they have the station name inscribed on the platform side wall as well (like many of the other Leslie Green stations have)?
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Post by 21146 on Nov 22, 2008 23:51:13 GMT
I doubt it'll be restored. The Northern Line platforms are being re-tiled in another non-descript scheme. It really is time LUL had a proper design policy, or maybe it's all down to 'cowboys' in Metronet or Tube Lines? Seriously, who's running the show?
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Post by edwin on Nov 23, 2008 4:54:53 GMT
I doubt it'll be restored. The Northern Line platforms are being re-tiled in another non-descript scheme. It really is time LUL had a proper design policy, or maybe it's all down to 'cowboys' in Metronet or Tube Lines? Seriously, who's running the show? They've attempted to re-tile the Northern line platforms in faux original tiles; the pale yellow colour used on the Cockfosters extension of the Piccadilly line. The only problem is that (AFAIK) the Northern line extension to Kennington and thence to Morden would have had the same scheme as the rest of the extension... Green, white and black.
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 23, 2008 11:12:47 GMT
I doubt it'll be restored. The Northern Line platforms are being re-tiled in another non-descript scheme. It really is time LUL had a proper design policy, or maybe it's all down to 'cowboys' in Metronet or Tube Lines? Seriously, who's running the show? I wouldn't be surprised if it's down to Metronet and Tube Lines but I have to say that in my opinion the biggest 'cowboys' in terms of refurbishment were LUL themselves. People have probably forgotten how many stations were 'refurbished' unsympathetically over the last several decades. Architects and designers like to leave their mark on stations but I remember them for some of the abortions they created where things were made to be 'attractive' but were just not functionally viable or aesthetically pleasing. Waterloo is of course the site where during its refurbishment in the late 1980s the original Ovaltine adverts were uncovered at the top of the escalators.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 12:05:13 GMT
tubelines are doing the northern and always replacing things that are fine lul wern't that bad, they did a good job on mornington crescent
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 14:16:23 GMT
I took a photo of a small exposed section on the NB Bakerloo yesterday.
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Post by 21146 on Nov 23, 2008 16:53:37 GMT
I mean the plain featureless cream tiles now going on Waterloo Northern, and Warren Street Victoria, are just so out-of-place at these locations, and as for BROWN at Tower Hill? Eh?
And a lot of the finishes are appalling, see Wanstead where the green horizontal upper relief strip on the platform wall side snakes all over the place.
Plus I'd rather have new signalling and track instead of new tiles!
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Post by Ben on Nov 23, 2008 16:57:06 GMT
Deffinately so. Shabby but reliable; but then again its all about image now...
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Post by edwin on Nov 23, 2008 20:07:06 GMT
And a lot of the finishes are appalling, see Wanstead where the green horizontal upper relief strip on the platform wall side snakes all over the place. At Bethnal Green the tiles are all unevenly laid, it looks absolutely dire. They really didn't. The original design had patterned tiles like at Chalk Farm or Belsize Park, LU ripped them out and put in a design with no pattern...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 20:13:10 GMT
Well, they did leave a small section on the NB headwall! The rest of the station looks far too plain. I'm sure a few extra blue tiles couldn't have been much dearer than the beige/sand ones they have as now...
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 24, 2008 4:13:43 GMT
tubelines are doing the northern and always replacing things that are fine lul wern't that bad, they did a good job on mornington crescent Believe me when I say LUL were bad, I spent almost three decades working on the system and many of those years were spent recabling modernised stations while they were being knocked about. Baker Street in 1977 was a prime example of the character of the station being ripped apart when all the original yellow tiles were removed from the Bakerloo concourse and passageways though those on the platforms are for the most part extant behind the existing finishes which are supported on expanded metal lathe and steel framing. Embankment is another example which has been modernised several times to such an extent that the District line platforms are much less wide than they once were although the yellow tiles remain behind the current finish as do quite a few rooms. At one time the ticket hall was much larger, i.e. long before several generations of ticket office were installed. At quite a few sites AFAIK the original finishes remain part extant in now disused areas such as at White City and Moorgate and at other sites such as Down Street, Liverpool Street, Piccadilly Circus, Euston and Tottenham Court Road but no doubt they will disappear over time as new ways are found to reuse the disused areas. A favourite use was pump rooms, sumps, ventilation etc and more modern uses include comms equipment rooms, switchrooms and later UPS switchrooms as well as staff accommodation etc. Under LUL places like Gloucester Road had the architects touch, it looked nice but the phones didn't fit the provided cubby holes in the platform finishes, this was a constant problem with other departments having to fit their kit into unsuitable spaces. The 'grandfather' units seen at many tube platform headwalls are an example of this where installing and maintaining the clocks, cameras, phones, signals and switches was made far more difficult than it needed to be but it looked good on the architect drawings.
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Post by johnb on Nov 24, 2008 22:58:59 GMT
Funny how perceptions change with generations, isn't it? - to me, Embankment is a great 1980s station and Baker Street tube a great 1970s station design-wise...
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 25, 2008 4:12:55 GMT
Funny how perceptions change with generations, isn't it? - to me, Embankment is a great 1980s station and Baker Street tube a great 1970s station design-wise... Much of what is seen at Baker Street these days is much later than 1970s and similarly the last update at Embankment was in the early 1990s so you are right about perception. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder and to some degree one has to be into art to see what the architect was aiming at. I am not such a person and was always more taken with the functionality than the artistic flourishes which quickly fade as the dust and the elements reclaim the spaces.
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Post by 21146 on Nov 28, 2008 0:19:30 GMT
Both Bakerloo Line platforms have now had tiles exposed along the whole of the offside platform areas
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 11:24:32 GMT
That is a very nice shade of green - I assume that was the color it was originally picked out in - and I agree, it should be restored if possible. Did they have the station name inscribed on the platform side wall as well (like many of the other Leslie Green stations have)? The station name was inscribed on the wall, but it was most unlike others; it was in green, and smaller, only 4 tiles high, and the lettering was thinner. The tiling was progressively replaced from 1987.
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Post by edwin on Nov 30, 2008 17:53:40 GMT
Both Bakerloo Line platforms have now had tiles exposed along the whole of the offside platform areas Anyone have any pics? Hopefully with this "refurbishment" the original "MIND THE GAP" announcement will remain.
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Post by edwin on Dec 7, 2008 19:16:19 GMT
Just went past the southbound platform when it was closed and the train was not stopping.
They're putting the same *incorrect* tiles that they put on the Northern line platforms.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 7, 2008 20:05:25 GMT
Well at least they'll match. though they exhibit no design flair at all
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