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Post by Colin on Feb 1, 2006 2:57:12 GMT
The shunters at Ealing Common depot have struck again!!  As a D stock was being moved from 20 Acton road to the Acton end reception road, car 8070 (*I think*) ended up on the deck  . I took a picture with my phone, but must apologise for the poor quality, and lack of precise details - as I had to rush for the last Upminster train home.  And yes, the trailer car and DM of the other unit are both touching the unfortunate UNDM. From what I saw, the emergency response unit guys that will have to re-rail it, are gonna have a tough time with this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 8:40:21 GMT
Hmm, clearly that happened at 5 mph  |
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Post by Admin Team on Feb 1, 2006 8:47:33 GMT
Ah-ha!!!
As we went towards Ealing Common last night at about 00:45 I thought it looked like there was a train 'in distress'!
There were a couple of Orange Jackets hanging around (one turned out to be the west end mobile DMT, the other a representative of Metronet) when we got into the depot, so I didn't like to go and be too nosey!
Was that definite that it was depot staff that did it?
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Post by Colin on Feb 1, 2006 11:19:20 GMT
When I stabled my train, I asked the young man who was at the west cabin allocating road numbers - he told me it was a depot shunter 'wot dunnit'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 11:35:07 GMT
When I stabled my train, I asked the young man who was at the west cabin allocating road numbers - he told me it was a depot shunter 'wot dunnit'. Ah tricky! That looks like a rather good derailment, not as good as they have been though! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 13:23:00 GMT
There's no way I'd go near that train, those inter car barriers look like they are about to snap ;D
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Post by Colin on Feb 1, 2006 13:57:38 GMT
There's no way I'd go near that train, those inter car barriers look like they are about to snap ;D Inter car barriers will actually strectch quite a distance before they 'go' - just ask Solidbond ;D ;D |
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Post by meteorological on Feb 1, 2006 14:04:04 GMT
5mph in the depot  Parallel in the depot more like;) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 15:43:14 GMT
I dread to think what condition the Wedglocks are in after that derailment...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 17:20:24 GMT
How did the lights manage to stay on in the derailed carriage (which I can quite safely assume is off juice...) then? Are those emergency lights?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 18:03:07 GMT
How did the lights manage to stay on in the derailed carriage (which I can quite safely assume is off juice...) then? Are those emergency lights? Sam One side of car lighting on a unit is fed from the Driving Motor and the other is fed from the middle Non Driving Motor or Driving Motor, so the train will have half lights on as the Driving Motor is still railed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 18:09:01 GMT
So that's why the lights go flicker on alternate sides when you go over gaps in the juice!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 19:16:59 GMT
So that's why the lights go flicker on alternate sides when you go over gaps in the juice! Sam Yep, got it in one. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 19:38:21 GMT
Taa for that Jim! Sam |
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Post by cdr113 on Feb 1, 2006 22:42:41 GMT
So that's why the lights go flicker on alternate sides when you go over gaps in the juice! Sam Yep, got it in one. thats been puzzling me for a good while too....! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 23:53:03 GMT
Taa for that Jim! Sam No problem |
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Post by Admin Team on Feb 2, 2006 11:33:45 GMT
The following is my edited version of the days events.....
"23.47 - Ealing Common Depot - Shunting Mishap
During a shunt move from 20 to 19 road, a D stock train split over points,
with the D bogie from car 8057 working onto 20 road, and the A bogie from
car 17057 working onto 19 road. This took place as the train moved over 221
hand-worked points. ERU and Metronet staff attended, and the Earl's Court
DMT also went to site. Current was discharged on the section to allow repairs and
obstructions to be removed prior to an attempt to move the train. The train had been successfully moved by 02.41.
There was some damage to 221 points, but it is unclear if this had caused
the incident, or if the damage was sustained as a result of it -
investigations are ongoing. The incident was not service affecting, and all
stabling took place as planned via the inside roads at the depot. 19 and 20
roads remain out of use pending repairs."
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Post by Phil on Feb 2, 2006 11:38:49 GMT
what always amazes me is the way investigators can so often work out whether the points damage was cause or effect. Pretty good really - I suppose, as with so many things, it comes with years of practice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2006 11:41:27 GMT
Just like air crash investigators! Their work never ceases to amaze me...
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Post by CSLR on Feb 2, 2006 12:36:01 GMT
what always amazes me is the way investigators can so often work out whether the points damage was cause or effect. Pretty good really - I suppose, as with so many things, it comes with years of practice. We trust the assessments of accident investigators because in cases that need examining there is nobody else to turn to. However, we know that people get things wrong in all walks of life. Even forensic evidence and expert witnesses sometimes make mistakes (often very publicly). It seems much more likely that an error could occur in an area where the investigation is based on the theory of previous case histories, most of which were also based on theory. When a decision is made and accepted, it becomes a reference point for the future - even if it is wrong. Please do not misunderstand. I am not critiscising accident investigators. It is through their sterling work that rules, regulations and safe working have evolved; but, because of the conditions that they work under and the fact that the science of this type of investigation often involves conflicting statements, damaged exhibits and a degree of guesswork, there must always (sadly) be room for error which, when it occurs, neither we nor they would ever know about. While this may not seem important, there is always the danger that the conclusions reached by an investigator could result in blame being placed on the wrong person. |
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Post by Phil on Feb 2, 2006 12:47:23 GMT
Or, worse than blame, (bad though that is) the real fault not being identified and the same thing happening again
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Post by Dmitri on Feb 2, 2006 15:36:30 GMT
"23.47 - Ealing Common Depot - Shunting Mishap During a shunt move from 20 to 19 road, a D stock train split over points Can't help wonder if the cause of the mishap is the same that in your story... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2006 20:32:52 GMT
The met tried to do the same today, as i believe there was an A60 on the deck in Amersham sdgs, thats what happens when you start up against the stick and go down the catch points! |
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. I took a picture with my phone, but must apologise for the poor quality, and lack of precise details - as I had to rush for the last Upminster train home.
