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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2005 20:22:06 GMT
Hi there,
I travel daily between Putney Bridge and Wimbledon (I'm new here btw lol.) and noticed that the 'C' stock trains are really... tatty of late.
I was in trailer Car 6565 the otherday and the compressor in it sounded identical as one of that from an 'A' stock train - most odd.
And tonight i was in Trailer 6577 and the lights above the doors were off on some of the doors and the whole car was covered in grime. Yes i know it was the snow but she really looked tatty in need of some TLC after the attention of some vandals too by the looks of her.
sorry for the random post but y'know had to say something, i really wanna know why the air compressor sounded like an A60/62 compressor.
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Post by trainopd78 on Dec 27, 2005 21:32:50 GMT
The answer to that is simple.  Its because the A62's and the C69's are fitted with the same type of compressor. However the A60's and the C77's are different to both each other and the A62's and C69's. I noticed that someone had written "Happy Christmas" in the dirt of a C stock today. I've got to admit, they are dirty, embarassingly so! |
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Post by Chris W on Dec 28, 2005 11:35:42 GMT
Gents Speaking of C-stock I did a little LU tour yesterday starting from Wombledon and noticed a couple of C-stock DM's with silver graffiti (e.g. car 5502).... did a siding have an unwelcome visitor over Xmas    I was surprised that it was in service as I thought that it was LU policy not to allow any units out with such unwanted attention! Re condition of the C-stock units generally it makes me wonder whether the refurbed D-stock will be in a similar state in a few years as I can't remember the pre-refurbed C units ever being in such poor condition.... PS: welcome along Matloughe |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2005 13:52:22 GMT
There was some graffiti attacks over Christmas, the covered way between West Ken and Earls Court was graffited when I went through on Boxing Day.
The C Stock is now looking very tatty with a lot of cars now having little paintwork left, weather there are plans for Metronet to repaint them I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2005 21:05:18 GMT
thanks for the welcome. lol
I doubt that Metronet would repaint them until they looked like an unrefurbished train on the outside lol. But then again i am not a member of the powers that be.
I don't see why people have to deface public property with their so called 'art-work' which is really just another sign of urban decay to be honest.
To be honest if it wasn't as cold, i'd wait for a D Stock trin to take me to Wimbledon if i could, lol.
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Post by Admin Team on Dec 28, 2005 21:30:26 GMT
thanks for the welcome. lol I doubt that Metronet would repaint them until they looked like an unrefurbished train on the outside lol. But then again i am not a member of the powers that be. I don't see why people have to deface public property with their so called 'art-work' which is really just another sign of urban decay to be honest. To be honest if it wasn't as cold, i'd wait for a D Stock trin to take me to Wimbledon if i could, lol. And a warm welcome from me too! Essentially the policy is that providing the grafitti isn't obscene it will be dealt with as soon as is possible - but at this time of year that's likely to be a 'few days' i guess. The lack of exterior cleaning I think is also a problem with the C Stocks; though I admit it's a while since I last ventured into hammersmith depot i don't think there's a train wash there - I think it relies on brushes and hoses, so they always look in need of some TLC! The chances of a repaint before they're replaced though is probably well less than 10%! |
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Post by solidbond on Dec 28, 2005 23:15:34 GMT
There IS a train wash at Hammersmith depot, but looking at the current state of most of the trains, I am guessing that it is out of use at the moment  Certainly the C stocks are looking decidedly dirty. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2005 3:29:33 GMT
There IS a train wash at Hammersmith depot, but looking at the current state of most of the trains, I am guessing that it is out of use at the moment Certainly the C stocks are looking decidedly dirty. A couple of useless facts about the Hammersmith train wash. 1. It can't operate if the outside temp is 0C, and switches off. 2. It has a speed limit of 3mph and has a speed camera in it and photo's the shunter if he speeds 3 points on his licence |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2005 3:33:24 GMT
The chances of a repaint before they're replaced though is probably well less than 10%! Metronet have wasted money recently in the name of ambience though. Replacing the seat moquette on D stock and varnishing the floors just before the refurb project started. |
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Post by Tom on Dec 29, 2005 11:45:49 GMT
The chances of a repaint before they're replaced though is probably well less than 10%! Metronet have wasted money recently in the name of ambience though. Replacing the seat moquette on D stock and varnishing the floors just before the refurb project started. In some ways Metronet can't be blamed for that - the moquette change and varnishing started before they took over, and then it could be justified as the refurb project was a long time from starting. Once Metronet took over the refurb work was de-scoped to be mainly a cosmetic change (as S Stock would be coming on stream in a few years) and hence could start that much earlier. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2005 20:17:48 GMT
Fair enough that new stock will be arriving in the 'near' future, but what about the stock that is being used now?
It isn't right to stop caring for the current stock just because new is coming. SWT (South West Trains) were extremely caring for their Mk 1 EMU's overhauling them and repairing them a mere 2 weeks before replacement... now that is dedication.
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Post by TMBA on Dec 29, 2005 20:58:31 GMT
So I suppose that eventually the D stock will go the same way  Care about their stock dont they  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2005 11:20:27 GMT
The H&C 'C' stock I was on yesterday seemed ok. I haven't really noticed any decline in them, but then again I'm not exactly the most frequent tube passenger! It did make me jump though as the train was put into a full emergency brake application about 1/4 of the way into Great Portland St platform - I thought for a second something nasty was happening. The 'C' stock emergency slows the train down quicker than I thought - it was certainly noticable.
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Post by trainopd78 on Dec 30, 2005 19:22:06 GMT
The westinghouse brake on most C stocks is a lot better than the emergency brakes on any modern (non westinghouse equipped) stock. If something happened in front of my train, I know what i'd rather be driving. |
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Post by frankpick on Dec 30, 2005 21:08:24 GMT
Is there still a small delay (on D78 or 73) when selecting emergency from any of the service brake positions before full application?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2005 21:19:52 GMT
the Emergency brakes are excellent i must say, there was a PEA at Putney Bridge a few weeks back on the train i was on and the train stopped dead in a mere few meters. Mind you it was obeying the speed restriction whilst approaching the station... Like 5 mph  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2005 23:47:21 GMT
Is there still a small delay (on D78 or 73) when selecting emergency from any of the service brake positions before full application? Yes, there's a bit of a funny moment where it feels like the brake is being released before the full application kicks in. |
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Post by q8 on Dec 31, 2005 8:42:33 GMT
Is there still a small delay (on D78 or 73) when selecting emergency from any of the service brake positions before full application? Yes, there's a bit of a funny moment where it feels like the brake is being released before the full application kicks in. In actual fact they DO release for a slight minisecond. Something to do with the application valves I was told. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 11:54:07 GMT
and the whole car was covered in grime. Yes i know it was the snow but she really looked tatty in need of some TLC after the attention of some vandals too by the looks of her. Yeah buts a problem you are not going to get round as the thaw granuals are going to be trodden onto the train, there is nothing we can do t stop it. Also even if the trains were cleaned inside on every trip, a couple of stops down the line they would be dirty again anyway the Emergency brakes are excellent i must say, there was a PEA at Putney Bridge a few weeks back on the train i was on and the train stopped dead in a mere few meters. Correct me if Iam wrong, but i was under the impression that a PEA applies full EP rather than EMCY? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 17:08:26 GMT
No the PEA was activated, and it felt like the driver just let go of the handle.
It was like that; the train just stopped, as far as i know the PEA doesn't affect the brakes. It is merely an alarm that alerts the driver; whom in this case used the PA and told the train she was going to pull ingot the station to assist whatever the problem was.
I think it was a False Alarm as nothing more was said, a search of the cars and then the train left heading on down towards East Putney.
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Post by Colin on Dec 31, 2005 19:43:19 GMT
Sorry Matloughe, you are incorrect. The brakes DO apply when a PEA handle is operated On a C stock (as MA correctly states) the EP only is used (automatically), though the train may be assisted in stopping by the driver putting the CTBC into emergency. Some lines do differ in their instruction to assist the train to stop, but that's how it's done on the District. Once the train has stopped and the driver has informed the controller on the non working radio, he/she can use the brake override switch to move the train to the next platform - if necessary. It's possible that the driver responded to the alarm in her cab and placed her CTBC in emergency on the train you was on, but, if she didn't, you would have experienced a maximum EP brake application made by the PEA only. (There you go Solidbond, I do remember some of the stock training ;D) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 19:50:28 GMT
It was like that; the train just stopped, as far as i know the PEA doesn't affect the brakes. It is merely an alarm that alerts the driver. The PEA does apply brakes until the driver overrides it, by operatindg an override button with his foot, which he/she will do between stations. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 21:26:48 GMT
I stand corrected, I apologise. I always thought an Alarm was just that, i know they used to apply the brakes i have just been mislead over the years then. lol. Not being a LU employee (Yet... Perhaps in the future; too young right now) my limited knowledge comes from books on the LU. So does this mean they are incorrect then... hmmm. Well if i do make it to the dizzying heights of a T/op at least i'll know a PEA activates full service braking i suppose lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2005 21:44:40 GMT
I stand corrected, I apologise. I always thought an Alarm was just that, i know they used to apply the brakes i have just been mislead over the years then. lol. Not being a LU employee (Yet... Perhaps in the future; too young right now) my limited knowledge comes from books on the LU. So does this mean they are incorrect then... hmmm. Well if i do make it to the dizzying heights of a T/op at least i'll know a PEA activates full service braking i suppose lol. Things were changed a few times. PEA'S used to always apply the brakes, they were then changed to alarm only to prevent a loaded train being stalled between stations, the system was again changed to apply brakes unless the driver overrides to get a more immediate response to the alarm. |
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Post by trainopd78 on Jan 1, 2006 15:32:06 GMT
Yes, there's a bit of a funny moment where it feels like the brake is being released before the full application kicks in. In actual fact they DO release for a slight minisecond. Something to do with the application valves I was told. As soon as you let go of the CTBC or put it into emergency from a service braking position, the rheo will drop out, to be replaced by the full 7/7ths of westcode. This of course takes a second for the rheo to drop out and the westcode to apply. If there was no rheo, the emergency application would be instant. |
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Its because the A62's and the C69's are fitted with the same type of compressor. However the A60's and the C77's are different to both each other and the A62's and C69's.
Certainly the C stocks are looking decidedly dirty.
