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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2008 18:37:29 GMT
Not exciting or earth shattering but a terminator this evening at 1731 turned out to be a C.
Assume it was either a Circle , (rare ?) - or a homeless Wimbleware as I gather there were problems HSK -EGR as well as on the H&C.
I assume EGR crews dont sign the District city - so was it a W/ware - didnt get the set number unfortunatly.?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2008 18:50:37 GMT
Edgware Road drivers can certainly reverse at Mansion House, in fact it's fairly common during service disruption.
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Post by suncloud on Oct 9, 2008 19:02:29 GMT
I noticed there was a suspension between HSK and Edgware at one point today...
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Post by upfast on Oct 9, 2008 19:06:45 GMT
Was most likely a diverted District from Edgware Road being sent to Mansion House.
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Post by metman on Oct 9, 2008 19:15:39 GMT
Does Mansion House get used much in the normal course of events?
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Post by upfast on Oct 9, 2008 19:39:39 GMT
Does Mansion House get used much in the normal course of events? One booked train early in the morning Mon-Fri. It is used a lot to reverse late running Tower Hill trains or to reduce blocking back with a shut down further east.
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 9, 2008 20:23:40 GMT
Some Districts' C stocks were diverted to Mansion House because of the High St. Ken to Edgware Road suspension.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2008 22:00:36 GMT
This happened to me with my trainee a few weeks ago. It was her first time driving C stock and we got diverted to Mansion House, then on the return trip turned in the bay at Putney Bridge. I couldn't believe my luck - two of the more difficult to get bay roads in one trip!
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Post by ruislip on Oct 10, 2008 1:49:57 GMT
Does Mansion House get used much in the normal course of events? One booked train early in the morning Mon-Fri. It is used a lot to reverse late running Tower Hill trains or to reduce blocking back with a shut down further east. Wasn't it also a regular reversing point for Districts coming from the west until the current Tower Hill station opened.
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Post by upfast on Oct 10, 2008 2:16:38 GMT
One booked train early in the morning Mon-Fri. It is used a lot to reverse late running Tower Hill trains or to reduce blocking back with a shut down further east. Wasn't it also a regular reversing point for Districts coming from the west until the current Tower Hill station opened. I don't know. I'm not old enough ;D ;D
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Post by metman on Oct 10, 2008 7:09:52 GMT
Neither am I, but I believe so! Mansion House used to have 4 platforms. However, Tower Hill became a more useful reversing point for City traffic so it was rebuilt with a bay road. Mansion House was rebuilt too in the 1980s and retained only one of its bay roads.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2008 8:05:40 GMT
plus a C stock with a locked wheel this what put into triangle sidings and left there till the close of traffic
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Post by Oracle on Oct 10, 2008 8:24:31 GMT
Wasn't it also a regular reversing point for Districts coming from the west until the current Tower Hill station opened. I amtooold enough, and distinctly recall Ealing trains to both Mansion House and Tower Hill (CO/CP and R Stock). However we rarely went that far..usually change at Hammersmith from the Picc to get to South Ken for the museums or Victoria, or possibly Westminster.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2008 9:27:16 GMT
Wasn't it also a regular reversing point for Districts coming from the west until the current Tower Hill station opened. Certainly was, though the use of both bays during the peak was precluded by the need to leave an empty eastbound path for departures from platform 4. The use of platform 2 was during all periods and platform 4 came into use during the off peak when the service thinned out and alternate District trains terminated at Mansion House. The use of Tower Hill allowed city terminators to serve the important interchanges at Mansion House and Cannon Street.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Oct 10, 2008 14:20:47 GMT
Even up until the "GLC Law Lords" service cuts in 1982(?) Mansion House was used as the regular off-peak reversing facility for the Ealing service every 20-mins. Tower Hill being used for the Wimbledon off-peaks. The C Stock then did Edgware Road-Putney Bridge every 20-mins. The Richmond's were shared equally Dagenham/Upminster, 20-mins to each. After the Law Lords "cuts" the services actually got better on the District! With the Putney's extended to Wimbledon, Dagenham's pushed through to Upminster and the Mansion Houses' up to the Tower! I can't remember where the Wimbledon off-peak City service went.
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Post by ruislip on Oct 10, 2008 19:06:41 GMT
usually change at Hammersmith from the Picc to get to South Ken for the museums You could have stayed on the Picc to get to South Ken. Why change at Hammersmith onto the District? With an additional station at West Ken, plus the complex interchange @ Earls Court, what could one gain from changing @ Hammersmith...?
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Post by Oracle on Oct 10, 2008 20:47:56 GMT
Aha! There's nary one that escaped ye Sir! Actually whn Mum took us to the Science and Natural History Museums we changed at Hammersmith, got on to the lovely red or silver District train with green interiors and lovely seats (initially with the beloved Hounslow branch still on the car maps, but with stickers (ioften peeled-off)) and then get off at South Ken to go via the subway rather than trampse up from the Picc with two kids in tow.
My mother's father was as you know a P/way engineer on the UD from around 1930 to 1942-3, and coincidentally Mum started commuting from Hammersmith during the war to Hounslow West or occasionally Northfields for the wartime emergency exit to get to South Ealing. I must ask if she had a priv season! She thus went to/from school on the District or Picc and so far as I can recall much preferred the green line: perhaps there was more room? Then, post-war she got a job as a Secretary which would be 1948, in Holborn and consequently took the Picc instead both ways. That is until she went to work in Victoria, on the green line again!
Whilst this was happening (as they had not met) my paternal grandfather was walking down from Heston to Hounslow Central, then catching the District if possible to St James's Park or Westminster to get to his job as a Civil Servant in the Admiralty in Whitehall. Sometimes seven days a week during the war.
It thus made no practical difference to my family historically whether the trains went to Mansion House or the Tower as coming from the west, they just wanted to get to & from the West End. A regular (in the end) Ealing-City service got them to and from where they wanted to go.
The only time we ever used the Edgware Road branch was to get to High Street Ken for shopping, and again Picc to Hammersmith, change to District to Earls Court thence by train to High Street Ken (occasionaly if we were lucky by an Olympia shuttle).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 10:45:20 GMT
This happened to me with my trainee a few weeks ago. It was her first time driving C stock and we got diverted to Mansion House, then on the return trip turned in the bay at Putney Bridge. I couldn't believe my luck - two of the more difficult to get bay roads in one trip! The default is to stick it back up as either PB or PG if you cant get hold of the controller.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 10:45:38 GMT
plus a C stock with a locked wheel this what put into triangle sidings and left there till the close of traffic which the district controller didnt even notice
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Post by ruislip on Oct 11, 2008 17:24:55 GMT
(initially with the beloved Hounslow branch still on the car maps, but with stickers (ioften peeled-off)) I guess the District didn't replace their car maps until the Victoria line opened in the late 60s, to show an interchange at Victoria.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 0:56:10 GMT
Do you know why Mansion House was laid out the way it was - i.e. (from north to south) eastbound terminating bay, eastbound through, eastbound terminating bay, westbound through?
I appreciate that originally it was the terminus of the line from Kensington, but when the line was extended to the east would it not have made more sense to have the two eastbound terminating bays in the middle, flanked by the through lines?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2008 2:22:19 GMT
Somewhere in the depths of this forum, Harsig posted a diagram which showed the pre-1967 layout of Mansion House. The layout, from north to south, was: eastbound terminating bay, eastbound through line, eastbound terminating bay, westbound through line. The topmost bay had a reverse connection into a set of sidings originally used for servicing steam engines; these sidings were later removed, and the space left empty, until the construction of the eastbound terminating bay at Tower Hill. When that happened, the topmost bay was removed and replaced with an electrical substation. When the station was completely rebuilt in the 1980s most traces of the second bay vanished too.
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Post by solidbond on Oct 13, 2008 18:29:44 GMT
which the district controller didnt even notice I would love to know how the Controller could notice locked wheels at South Ken from an office in Baker Street? If anything, the T/Op should have noticed locked wheels, as the train would have been very sluggish. It is highly unlikely that a T/Op would notice locked wheels - since it would only affect one axle out of 24 axles. Thus the effect on the trains performance would be minimal.
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Post by Colin on Oct 13, 2008 18:33:15 GMT
I would love to know how the Controller could notice locked wheels at South Ken from an office in Baker Street? If anything, the T/Op should have noticed locked wheels, as the train would have been very sluggish. I think you have mis-understood what 'monkfish' meant - the train, having been confirmed as having a locked axle, was put away in Triangle sidings pending movement to Hammersmith depot later that day; after the locked axle had been put on skates by the emergency response unit. Problems arose later in the evening whilst trains were stabling when it transpired that the defective train in Triangle sidings had been forgotten about.
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Post by Chris M on Oct 13, 2008 22:49:59 GMT
It is highly unlikely that a T/Op would notice locked wheels - since it would only affect one axle out of 24 axles. Thus the effect on the trains performance would be minimal. How would a locked axle be identified then?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 19:47:20 GMT
How would a locked axle be identified then? Most likely by passengers in the affected car noticing the noise. It is possible the driver could notice sluggish movement, try coasting and then realise that something was dragging, but the motors vary so much that any sluggishness might easily be ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 23:02:50 GMT
In this case the Driver certainly noticed there was a problem, as large quantities of smoke were obliterating his view of the rear 5 cars !
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Post by tubeprune on Oct 15, 2008 6:21:15 GMT
How would a locked axle be identified then? Most likely by passengers in the affected car noticing the noise. It is possible the driver could notice sluggish movement, try coasting and then realise that something was dragging, but the motors vary so much that any sluggishness might easily be ignored. I would expect a driver should notice locked wheels because the traction equipment shouldn't be working on that car. Thus only 2/3s of the power available - you must notice that? If it was a trailer (very unlikely) you SHOULD notice the drag. Try coasting very slowly and the train will stop with the other cars rocking on the buffers as it stops.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 7:22:26 GMT
The controller left it in triangle but didnt do anything about having an extra train in triangle was what I meant
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Post by upfast on Oct 15, 2008 7:50:41 GMT
The controller left it in triangle but didnt do anything about having an extra train in triangle was what I meant Bet they didn't book themselves an Item for that though...
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