Rebuilt 1935 'streamliners' as 1949 trailers

Think they're all long gone,by the time they were put on the Ongar shuttles they all had conventional cabs,one unit hung around at Hainault for a while after withdrawal as a drawing office for the articulated train project,another idea that came to nothing.

With these old UndergrounD magazines, Oracle, could the contributors not be contacted to ask if they can be scanned and put on the internet as they are so difficult to get hold of? After all, LURS do put some articles on their website.

Thanks for your efforts guys. I purchased a couple of the LURS books on standard stock at the 1990 Morden open day. I passed on the 1935 one because, back then, I didn't know what the hell it was! Lesson? Never pass on ANYTHING!

It would appear from information in Piers Connors book 'The 1938 Tube Stock' that one of the rebuilt streamliners was included in a railtour that ran on the 14th of October, 1973. The tour ran from High Street Kensington and ran to Olympia, Edgeware Road, Hammersmith, Wimbledon, Richmond, Golders Green, Arnos Grove and back to High Street Kensington. The 6-car formation included rebuilt car 012497. Hopefully, someone has a picture of it. Thanks.

Very interesting TP, the end doors look slightly narrower in that picture.

Photos are so educational. I was always under the impression that they had 1949 bogies under them. It just shows how wrong you (I) can be!

Tube Trains Under London has interesting notes on the equipment used on the cars as delivered. OT, granted, but am I right in saying that there were 6 different motor control schemes in total? If so, which one(s) did the flat ended train get, and, as built, were they compatible with the later 1938 tube stock?

Also, when were the flat ended units made backwards compatible with the standard stock? Delivered they had wedgelock couplers, but I'm sure Ive seen a pic of one (silver by then) at North Weald with a Ward coupler.

AND...the $64,000 question, what did they sound like whilst running?

Had a ride to Ongar & back just before they were withdrawn,sounded very similar to the main 38TS fleet.

According to Piers Connor's excellent 'The 1938 Tube Stock' ward couplers and high level air hoses were fittted in 1949 when the units were converted for use on the Central line which had the similarly-equipped 'standard' stock at the time. They were used on Loughton-Epping and occasional Hainault-Woodford services until transfer to the Piccadilly in 1954 for the Holborn-Aldwych service. It was in 1957 that they returned to the Central for the Ongar line and they recieved their 1927 'standard' stock trailers in 1958. One unit was held back in 1957 for regenerative brake testing until 1960.

I don't suppose anyone has seen any cine film of them in operation?

According to Piers Connors book, silver came to them between '63 and '65.

Yes, that sounds about right. The 35ts flat ends were converted to run with 1927 stock trailers. They received ward couplings and pipework to their fronts!

I guess they sounded like 38ts?