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Post by Tom on Aug 31, 2008 12:33:10 GMT
i think that device in the pic is called a peewee if im right its a early warning train detection come lookout it will make a sound and flash when a train is approaching but if im wrong god knows I've also heard them referred to as peewees before - can't remember when/where though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2008 13:05:30 GMT
i think that device in the pic is called a peewee if im right its a early warning train detection come lookout it will make a sound and flash when a train is approaching but if im wrong god knows I've also heard them referred to as peewees before - can't remember when/where though. Pee Wees are the original fixed version that was installed on Bi-Di lines and around complex ladder junctions where you could be caught out by aproaching trains. This is now called FWS (Fixed Warning System) and it also has has it's own section in the RSSB Rule Book. So not be confused by the ATWS mentioned by Dave. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2008 14:55:00 GMT
Hardly any shutdowns on the eastern end of the District Line in the last five years ?? You gotta be kidding. Does anybody have the history ? I understand the need for this work, but the communications to the public is rubbish. We need to see a poster in each station affected that says 'no service from this station at weekends until.....' and maybe similar announcements made over the tannoy. The TFL website only goes to mid Oct, so Ican't plan half term. Local people just turn up at the station to go into London or where ever, blaspeme when it's shut, get on a bus or go home. No doubt when this is all finished in a few weeks, there will be something else to fix later. Can't we have a break and assume a good service will operate without having to plan every journey like a military operation. ? Sorry for the rant. I feel your comments to be mis-placed ! The level of information available in respect of disruptions is at a previously unsurpassed level, some people simply can not be reached as they choose not to observe the available information. There become disadvantages in making public details of long term planned closures as the dates become more fluidic the further you dip into the future. Six month lists are available, but experience shows that many "planned" works, are subsequently deffered, cancelled or rescheduled. All LUL stations display details of works planned for the following weekend. For those who have no alternative travel plans or whom turn up to travel anyway, replacement buses are provided (except where adequate provision is available using service buses, usually in zone 1). As for the East End of the District Line, I'm forced to conclude you do not in fact travel on the District's east end much of a weekend ! In nearly 5 years on the District my duties have been varied due to east end works just once ! (due to a suspension between East Ham and Plaistow because of Network Rail engineering works at Upton Park). Now perhaps all "your" disruptions have chanced to be when I am on saturday / sunday rest days, but even then I usually am aware of what is going on and I recollect just one other weekend shutdown due to works at Hornchurch ! ...perhaps the preception of problems is greater than the reality because you hear announcements of disruptions elsewhere on the system ... or perhaps your auditioning for the post of reporter for The Evening Standard !!  ;D ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2008 16:19:22 GMT
All LUL stations display details of works planned for the following weekend. For those who have no alternative travel plans or whom turn up to travel anyway, replacement buses are provided (except where adequate provision is available using service buses, usually in zone 1). Most stations should be displaying a monthly edition along with the week-by-week one, too. |
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Post by Colin on Sept 2, 2008 1:53:41 GMT
Having had a look through my collection of 'special working' timetables (I really must have a word with mrfs........mind you, it's quite a heavy pile now), I've found the following which may or may not add to the debate on east end shutdowns...... From 29th September 2001 - No service Bromley-by-Bow to Plaistow, bridge renewal works between Bromely-by-Bow and West Ham. I seem to recall that went on for several weekends........must have been spread over six months or so  13th & 14th May 2006 - No service Barking to East Ham, Network Rail engineering work at Barking. 20th & 21st May 2006 - No service Upminster to East Ham, engineering work Upminster to East Ham. 26th & 27 April 2008 - No service Upminster to Dagenham East, track renewal at Hornchurch. I also have a further 8 different timetables dating back to 2006 which cover shutdowns in the central area (and let's be honest, there's been a fair few of those) - all of these have resulted in trains from Upminster terminating at Whitechapel. I shall now return to sitting on the fence. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2008 2:39:41 GMT
i can remember around 1994 or so when i lived in dagenham that for a few weekends it was shut from barking to upminster as i remember getting on the clapped out ensignbus's which used to do the rail replacement
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 2, 2008 14:07:43 GMT
This weekend is just drainage repairs in the Hornchurch area with some track renewal in the Upminster area. Which is strange that trains are terminating at Upney. Why not Dagenham East? Or, to avoid the shunting in/out via Barking 21/22 sidings, why not Barking itself? I see the track works were actually in the platform area at HEATHWAY, so apologies for suggesting Dagenham East as a possible solution! |
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Post by towerman on Sept 2, 2008 17:54:37 GMT
On the engineering notice tonight they're delivering a Tamping machine and Schoma with turbot wagons to Upminster Depot,the battery locos that bring them are going back at SOT Wednesday.Should be a sight to see 4 battery locos coupled together.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 2, 2008 18:42:02 GMT
Where will the battery locos be returning to?
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Post by towerman on Sept 2, 2008 18:57:08 GMT
The trains originate from Ruislip Depot and the locos will go back there.
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Sept 2, 2008 19:18:46 GMT
and what time will these schoma and tampers and batt loco pass through elm park?
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Post by towerman on Sept 2, 2008 21:40:05 GMT
The train with the tamper follows T104 to Upminster,the one with the schoma & wagons follows T105 to Upminster.
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Post by TMBA on Sept 3, 2008 13:11:00 GMT
The batts left Upminster via 51 road and platform 5 at 0455 this morning
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 14:56:30 GMT
They went through ruisilp at 0645 as I was walking to get the bus to work. I had wondered what they were doing! Wasn't quite quick enough to get my phone out to snap them through the fence at Waitrose!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 12:36:38 GMT
My tupenceworth about the District Line works in general...
These have been going on for a very long time now and it's reaching a point where I think it's reasonable to ask just when the work will actually be finished and what there will be to show for it afterwards.
The central area of the line has been closing regularly at weekends for how many years now? For this to continue indefinately, year in year out, is just not on imo. It would be like paying to have builders in to fix your living room and still be paying them years on with no estimate of completion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2008 17:01:52 GMT
The central area of the line has been closing regularly at weekends for how many years now? For this to continue indefinately, year in year out, is just not on imo. It would be like paying to have builders in to fix your living room and still be paying them years on with no estimate of completion. It's more like having the builders in one weekend a month only, expecting them to get all their materials and tools in, do some useful work and have it all tidied up again only 48 hours later! There was an idea floating around to close that section completely for several weeks, which would reduce the total number of closure days considerably but it the end having the line closed on weekdays just wasn't on. |
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Post by Colin on Sept 6, 2008 21:11:30 GMT
what there will be to show for it afterwards. Basically the rails are being changed from Bullhead:  to Flat Bottom:  The Flat Bottom rail does give a better ride, and I believe it is required for the S stock. Obviously the work in the central area is more difficult, being tunnel sections. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 20:16:23 GMT
You might have found a litter free bit of track Colin !  ;D ;D ;D (illustrates the difference well though, I may add!) Some of the bit's done first now give such a rough ride they could do with being done again !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2008 6:31:46 GMT
they smashed a stock and switch rail on 13 points at dagenham east yesterday so that was replaced late last night nice to see things dont change
the suspended olympia service is due to 8" of the switch rail broken off which i found last night on a set of points at earls court now if the switch was the other side of 2 points it would of mean no service from west ken now that would of been interesting
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Post by rrbs on Sept 23, 2008 11:48:59 GMT
The east end of the Distrct has been relatively lightly affected by closures in the recent past. There is a helluva lot of track replacement work to do. First of all the 'Barking link'; needed to be installed and commissioned to enable Metronet to get the 'Second Fleet' of CLass 66 locos and wagons from Network Rail metals on to LU metals. Once done, they can crack on with track replacement. London Underground and TfL communicate closures with customers in the following ways: 1. a dedicated strapline, "check before you travel" 2. dedicated website, www.tfl.gov.uk/check for both immediate and 6 month lookaheads 3. same information via the phone line 020 7222 1234 4. PA announcements at all stations, the ones that begin "Ladies and Gentlemen, as part of the TfL Investment Programme...." 5. Customer emails sent out on a Thursday and very easy to subscribe to (even I get them) 6. Friday's travel information page in the Metro 7. Weekly posters on whiteboards at all stations 8. Monthly planned closures 'in circuit' at all stations 9. Monthly planned closures posters are sent to all Network Rail stations and imho most are evry good at displaying them 10. A reminder on every car line diagram weekend engineering works may affect your journey 11. For bigger closures, a dedicated leaflet available at stations along the line (usually placed on the UTS gates for greater impact by the staff) 12. Head wall notices to drivers approaching affected lines or stations Obviously LU would prefer to keep train running but with the maintenance and upgrade backlog being what it is, I'd say whilst the politicians favour investing in the Tube, lets grab it! And remember....www.tfl.gov.uk/check |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2008 13:10:28 GMT
And not forgetting a gaggle of SRT staff members on hand to help those not able to view the previous efforts.
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Post by 21146 on Oct 18, 2008 17:56:05 GMT
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Post by Oracle on Oct 18, 2008 18:47:46 GMT
How dothe 66s get on to the eastern ebd? Via the new Barking connection?
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Post by Colin on Oct 18, 2008 21:07:54 GMT
Indeed they do use the new Barking link Let's hope they remember to take out all the protection arrangements this monday  ......... |
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Post by Oracle on Oct 18, 2008 21:26:49 GMT
Thanks Colin. Which makes you think that these are the first national rail locos to run on the northernmost former LTS lines since...when? Segregation when British Railways transferred the lines to LT? Thoughts on a postcard please!
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Post by 21146 on Oct 20, 2008 18:35:33 GMT
Thanks Colin. Which makes you think that these are the first national rail locos to run on the northernmost former LTS lines since...when? Segregation when British Railways transferred the lines to LT? Thoughts on a postcard please! BR Derby RTC test DMU's certainly ran there in the 1980s |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 16:46:46 GMT
How about being up front and say now that the disruption will continue until March at least (TFL) ? So, public don't bother planning anything until then that needs the use of your annual ticket at weekends. So much disruption, so little benefit. No doubt this time next year, the signalling will need replacing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 17:17:46 GMT
How about being up front and say now that the disruption will continue until March at least (TFL) ? So, public don't bother planning anything until then that needs the use of your annual ticket at weekends. So much disruption, so little benefit. No doubt this time next year, the signalling will need replacing. Tusk, thats a very negative approach. There are replacement buses and officially you require a ticket to use them. The works were always planned to last (most weekends) until March at least. That information is freely viewable on the TfL website. The passenger may not see an obvious benefit to the works, thats the whole point of preventative works ... but without the works what you would see would be increasing implementation of speed restrictions, slowing travel. Suspensions due to track circuit failures or broken rails. Plus an increasingly rougher ride, which may also adversely affect rolling stock availability. The signalling needs replacing now ! But only on the eastbound ...which thus far has not been part of the works. There are several very long overlaps on a few signals due to the signal in advance having a compromised overlap. This does cause notable delay (between Upney and Becontree, Dagenham East and Elm Park). Works to enable automatic operation will be needed in due course, but we can't wait for that since the contract isn't in place for it yet. I'm afraid a view that the works should not be done and to hell with the consequences is very short sighted and such policy in the past has led to serious deterioration of the Underground system requring so much work now ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 17:56:46 GMT
Sorry to be negative, but that's how I feel. A poster in each station saying what I suggest above should be put up, not just a piecemeal approach that we have now. A long term project needs long term communications. People need to plan ahead for concerts, theatre and the like. I appreciate really that works probably need doing, but not everybody has the web or the foresight to use such sites as TFL, which is why there is so much disgruntlement and disappointment in the area. Talk to a few WHU or Dagenham fans and you will get short shrift.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 19:09:02 GMT
Sorry to be negative, but that's how I feel. A poster in each station saying what I suggest above should be put up. That's not unreasonable, I suppose, to the extent of a seperate poster listing the planned weekend closures on the District Line to be posted near the ticket gates at stations east of Stepney Green. Not phrased as suggested of course ! ;D Talk to a few WHU <snip> fans and you will get short shrift. They will get it from me too ...the wholesale disruption that is inflicted upon the service, network, other customers and other transport mode users by attendees at these "events" is a joke ! WHU should do the decent thing and pay for direct replacement buses and a wholsesale redevelopment of Upton Park station !! which aught to be closed as Arsenal (or is it Caledonian Road ?) station is !! Observation's from my home station suggests most "fans" don't buy a ticket to travel anyway !  |
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