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Post by happybunny on Aug 25, 2008 13:31:22 GMT
As I understand it, the front of any train that drives on NR tracks must be painted yellow (except the windscreen of course)... how does LUL get away with not complying with this rule, that all other TOCs have to ?
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Post by Oracle on Aug 25, 2008 13:36:41 GMT
I believe that they have a derogation: the fronts are of course bright red now. However Sarah Siddons did not have yellow panels when in use on the main line and neither did I seem to recall the Standard Stock and Waterloo & City stock when on test and the Underground's track recording train (Standard stock) leant to BR.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 13:40:08 GMT
As I understand it, the front of any train that drives on NR tracks must be painted yellow (except the windscreen of course)... how does LUL get away with not complying with this rule, that all other TOCs have to ? My recollection is that LUL have an exemption as LUL trains do not reach the high speeds of most main line stocks. But train fronts must be at least 50% red. Not sure that the all white of R stock would now be allowed. The middle cabs of some 1972 stock now have a half red front to allow for their use as pilot cars taking units to Acton Works from Stonebridge Park and then returning with the otherwise all white middle DM car at an outer end. That said, I presume some sort of exemption also applies to such likes as the running of steam trains or Sarah Siddons if on NR ?
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Post by Chris M on Aug 25, 2008 15:37:47 GMT
I believe the bright yellow (or red in the case of LU trains on NR) was originally brought in as a warning because diesel and electric trains are much quieter than steam locos. AIUI the yellow panel must be at least 1 metre square.
I presume that the natural audible warning given by steam is still considered adequate.
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Post by 100andthirty on Aug 25, 2008 17:33:15 GMT
There are all sorts of rules on NR that LU don't conform to. NR sets rules to cover 20,000 miles of main line. District works over about 2.5miles of it. the main arguement about red and yellow fronts is that both are irrelevant if you have two reasonably powerful headlights - hence it applied for and obtained derogations for the 1972 stock, C and D stock - and is doing similar for S stock.
In addition, as LU never exceeds 60mph and routinely nips in and out of tunnel, it doesn't see the need to conform to the NR rules for day and night headlights (the reason why they have two but only one is on at any time). Day headlights are VERY bright!
The yellow is, these days, a back-up in case the headlight fails during a journey. LU manages this risk with two headlights and (by NR standards) short trips.
NR also allows others to have this dispensation, especially for historic/steam trains subject to operating less than 10,000 miles a year, so Deltics and Flying Scotsman aren't disfigured with yellow fronts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 18:27:32 GMT
The main arguement about red and yellow fronts is that both are irrelevant if you have two reasonably powerful headlights - hence it applied for and obtained derogations for the 1972 stock, C and D stock. I'm not sure D stock headlights can be described as "reasonably bright"! Candle in a jam jar is the description that springs to mind! Painfully so when you meet a SWT coming out of Richmond and the headlight is on the nearest side - day or night.
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Post by happybunny on Aug 25, 2008 23:37:09 GMT
Will the S stock have a headlight in the middle above the drivers window like most modern NR stock does ?
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