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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 21:37:35 GMT
Sad anorak stuff I know but I am trying to build an 'OO' scale model of the former 1931 BRCW standard stock trailing coach that was converted to structure guaging car No G.663 in 1965. Does anyone have any information or diagrams that could be of use? Also, can anyone confirm whether G.663 or either of the two rail grinding cars (RG802/3) worked solely between pilot motor cars or if battery locos were used occasionally? Many thanks.
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Post by metman on Aug 17, 2008 21:40:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2008 23:33:18 GMT
Thanks for the info. I'm using a Radley models kit as the basis for the project. His kit for the 1927 Control trailer is the basis for my railgrinding car! As for the rest of the range, I have never built an easier kit than his Battery loco! It's all I can do to resist building a full set of standard stock but the Wife would put paid to that one! If she knew the half of it....
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Post by metman on Aug 18, 2008 7:24:05 GMT
Ha ha! So often the case isn't it! If there is a bit of interest I may make a kit of the 1925 Cammel Laird Standard stock DM. I'm already working on some Met saloon stock for him. Pics next week!
Good luck with it-we'd love to see some photos!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 20:38:38 GMT
OK, so I should have put this one on the modelling page that I have only just noticed.... One day I'll get my 4 year old to show me how to navigate my way round my computer! All I need is a scenario where I can run 1938 stock (EFE), a three-car 1935 prototype set (EFE motors with Radley models 1927 trailer), battery locos, an LT Pannier tank, and BR Southern region EMUS! Not much to ask... As for photos, that's something else I'll have to get my daughters to show me how to do!
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Post by metman on Aug 20, 2008 10:26:22 GMT
Hmmm, that's a tough one! The 1935 stock ran shuttle services on the Central Line, as did the odd 3 car 38ts train. You are better off doing something on the Bakerloo! You can use standard stock trailers in some of those units too.
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Post by metman on Aug 20, 2008 10:30:48 GMT
While we are on the subject of Standard Stock I remember reading that the later batches of the stock 1931-34 are a little longer than the earlier stock 1923-29. Does anyone have the lengths of the 1923 and 1931 for a comparison?
Thanks in advance!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2008 11:45:24 GMT
The "standard" stock is an absolute minefield for serious modellers, as they were far from standard. Each batch had minor improvements, and sometimes older cars were updated to a revised design.
Just a few of the more obvious points: different designs of ventilators under the clerestory; louvred or plain covers to the equipment compartment; presence or absence of single air doors at the ends of cars. For an accurate model, work off a photo!
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Post by metman on Aug 20, 2008 13:43:53 GMT
I know! You must use photos! I am going to use the Camel Laird 1925 DM! Door pillar, vents on both sides and on top. Beading lines round the driving windows etc!!
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Post by tubeprune on Aug 21, 2008 8:13:17 GMT
The were, IIRC, 37 different varieties of Standard Stock vehicles. The pre-1931 motor car was 49'-9+" over body ends while the 1931-4 cars were 51'-5+". There were also variations in wheel diameters between batches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 10:22:28 GMT
I think about the only thing "standard" about them was that they could all be coupled together and work in multiple. Provided the cars were facing the same way....
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Post by tubeprune on Aug 21, 2008 16:07:08 GMT
I think about the only thing "standard" about them was that they could all be coupled together and work in multiple. Provided the cars were facing the same way.... ...and provided the battery voltages were the same. From the 1930s, they had some 50 volt trains and some 12 volt trains. |
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Post by ruislip on Aug 21, 2008 17:41:15 GMT
From the 1930s, they had some 50 volt trains and some 12 volt trains. Talk about the trains being "standard",with this discrepancy in voltages. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2008 22:54:56 GMT
Much as I would have loved to have kept things simple by merely running a '38 set with a '58 trailer the conversion to backdate the EFE '38 DMs to '35 DMs was already done before I thought about where to run them! The Radley 1927 trailer came about afterwards and I am sure one will find its way to becoming a '58 trailer. The '35 set already has one. Oh, the perils of modlling the underground!
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Post by metman on Aug 25, 2008 9:34:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 20:51:02 GMT
According to the LURS part work only Cammell Laird built DMs in 1925, MCCW built the trailers and control trailers. Any chance of a picture of the other side of the vehicle as I have two on order and I would like to know what work is needed to make a pair of 1923 MCCW ballast motors out of them! Thanks Metman. Now, about that sleet loco.....
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Post by metman on Aug 25, 2008 21:18:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 21:51:27 GMT
Thanks for the info. I'm planning to do a couple of 1923 MCCW DMs as ballast motors because the conversion from the 1925 DM looks easier than doing Cammell Laird. Ten of the MCCW DMs became ballast motors in the '50s while only four of the Cammall Laird DMs did so that is my excuse! The reason I asked for a pic of the other side of the vehicle is to ascertain whether the models have bodyside grills or opening panels as per some of the later stock. I'm getting picky in my old age! Thanks again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 22:10:14 GMT
Just seen the 'vents on both sides and on top' qoute in a previous reply so that answers my question. Twenty years of shift work and ten years on class 66s dulling the senses! Keep up the good work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2008 22:48:03 GMT
Final Question for tonight.... Honest! The ballast motors L62-L75 included the four Cammell Laird ones mentioned above. From pictures I have ascertained that L62, L65 and L66 were three of them. Can anyone tell me which one was the fourth? Thanks everyone!
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Post by geebeezed on Aug 26, 2008 12:00:14 GMT
Ooh, does this mean we'll get some Feltham cars soon? I'm forming up some IOW units for a Brading based layout so I'm hoping so, this'll make the fleet properly authentic!
Is it me or are the Cab windows on the Radley '31 stock DM's too short? A bit of careful work with a file has vastly improved mine...
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Post by metman on Aug 26, 2008 17:09:14 GMT
Yeah they look it! Also the 1931-34 cars are wrong grill/panel wise too!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2008 14:26:51 GMT
Metman. Did I read somewhere that you are working on some even earlier tube trains or did I dream it?
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Post by metman on Aug 31, 2008 10:56:41 GMT
I'm working on older surface stock now but not tube stock. Basically, I'm doing a 1913 DM and 1921 Saloon stock Trailer. These will hopefully be out by the end of this year! For next year I am doing 1905 saloon stock DM and DT/T. I was thinking of having a go at 1960 or 1967/72 stock but these are not easy!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2008 11:34:37 GMT
At least with 1960 cravens stock you a), won't be competing against metro models, and b) won't have to build any trailer cars. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
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Post by metman on Aug 31, 2008 21:57:12 GMT
Without any disrespect, I don't rate the 67/72 stock to highly!
I am seriously thinking of making the 60ts!
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Post by slant40 on Sept 1, 2008 1:46:27 GMT
I'm working on older surface stock now but not tube stock. Basically, I'm doing a 1913 DM and 1921 Saloon stock Trailer. These will hopefully be out by the end of this year! For next year I am doing 1905 saloon stock DM and DT/T. I was thinking of having a go at 1960 or 1967/72 stock but these are not easy! 1920 TS with the oval windows might be nice. I think these were the tube-sized equivalent of the "F" stock |
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Post by mowat on Sept 1, 2008 13:50:02 GMT
A model of the C&SLR electric locos would be nice.
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Post by tubeprune on Sept 1, 2008 16:38:01 GMT
Final Question for tonight.... Honest! The ballast motors L62-L75 included the four Cammell Laird ones mentioned above. From pictures I have ascertained that L62, L65 and L66 were three of them. Can anyone tell me which one was the fourth? Thanks everyone! L63 |
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Post by metman on Sept 1, 2008 20:33:03 GMT
The 1920ts was the first tube stock to have air doors. There were 40 cars built, 20 CT and 20 T. To power them, 20 1906 ex-piccadilly gate stock motors were converted to air doors and had their end platforms filled in. The cars lasted till WW2 when they were replaced by 38ts. 5 reamined till 1969 as an instruction train. ronfisher.fotopic.net/p43714195.html |
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