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Post by superteacher on Aug 17, 2008 15:35:03 GMT
Not sure if they think that the Central line has more intelligent passengers, but I have heard several examples recently where "rail speak" has been used for passenger annoucements / info:
1. Service suspended Newbury Park - Leytonstone on the outer rail.
2. Service suspended Liverpool Street - Holborn both roads.
3. This train will terminate in the Woodford Bay Road - any passengers going past Woodford should change here.
4. We are being held here due to blocking back at Leytonstone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 9:41:23 GMT
At least the driver did not say "You will be tipped out at Woodford>'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 12:45:06 GMT
I'm always confused by inner / outer rail on the Circle, let alone on the Chigwell loop...
Inner on Circle = anti-clockwise Outer on Circle = clockwise Same on the Chigwell loop?
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Post by superteacher on Aug 18, 2008 12:53:16 GMT
I'm always confused by inner / outer rail on the Circle, let alone on the Chigwell loop... Inner on Circle = anti-clockwise Outer on Circle = clockwise Same on the Chigwell loop? Correct - it will always be the same, as long as there is left hand running, which there is on the Hainault loop.
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Post by ruislip on Aug 19, 2008 1:57:28 GMT
Can't they use directional terms on the Chiglwell loop? "Northbound" and "Southbound" would make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 7:38:05 GMT
It wouldnae work... because, say you're heading roughly north ex Woodford, by Roding Valley you'd be eastbound, and by Grange Hill, that'd become Southbound!!!
Mind you, these oddities exist quite innocently elsewhere on the network!
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Post by neilw on Aug 24, 2008 9:57:21 GMT
ISTR that "inner" and "outer" were terms already in public use by the GER on the then-called "Fairlop loop" when trains ran to Ilford from Newbury Park before the Central line was built (not that I was around then, told to me by parents/grandparents!!)
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Post by Tomcakes on Aug 24, 2008 10:14:59 GMT
In simple terms - if you think of a loop with double track, the inner rail is the track inside the loop, and the outer rail the one to the outside.
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Sept 2, 2008 19:30:50 GMT
well i get very annoyed at the non use of jargon that i hear at a station like embankment such as
"train now approaching platform 2 is an eastbound circle line train"
it might be eastbound at embankment but when it gets to liverpool street it will be westbound so it should be described as an inner rail train.
if the public cant be bothered to understand the difference between inner rail/ outer rail then tough. after all i had to learn
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Post by dannyofelmpark on Sept 2, 2008 19:39:35 GMT
also on a simlar theme, whos crazy idea was it that when im on a main line station all announcements go thus,
"next train at platform 4 is all stations to LONDON Liverpool street" or LONDON fenchurch street and so on
where else is there a liverpool street or fenchurch street
apart from of course victoria which is also in southend
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Post by Chris M on Sept 2, 2008 19:51:16 GMT
Regarding the Circle line, I've never understood why it isn't described as "clockwise" and "anticlockwise" - that's far more logical than needing to get an eastbound train from Tower Hill to Paddington.
On suburban mainline services I can sort of understand your point about "London Liverpool Street", but for long distance services would you expect people to know "Temple Meads" is in Bristol, "Snow Hill" is a Birmingham station and "Waverley" is Edinburgh's principle station? Not mentioning the innumerable Parkways and Centrals.
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Post by Tom on Sept 2, 2008 20:21:29 GMT
where else is there a liverpool street or fenchurch street apart from of course victoria which is also in southend And Manchester!
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Post by compsci on Sept 2, 2008 20:25:46 GMT
In Glasgow it's always Inner/Outer Circle. You do have to think quite hard sometimes if you've missed one of the line diagrams. Admittedly it wouldn't be too disasterous if you got it wrong.
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Post by Chris M on Sept 2, 2008 20:44:17 GMT
where else is there a liverpool street or fenchurch street apart from of course victoria which is also in southend And Manchester! And former stations in Sheffield, Nottingham, Swansea and probably elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2008 21:16:03 GMT
Regarding the Circle line, I've never understood why it isn't described as "clockwise" and "anticlockwise" - that's far more logical than needing to get an eastbound train from Tower Hill to Paddington. ISTR that is was tried, and that the SAs were subsequently overwhelmed by cattle punter customers asking "Which direction is clockwise?"
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Post by Oracle on Sept 2, 2008 21:27:21 GMT
In my recollection the use of LONDON Waterloo say began years ago, with signage change. I can imagine that it was for the benefit of passengers who just wanted to get to...London. And not Waterloo, Liverpool?Now the trains that go past about 100 yards away say LONDON WATERLOO on the LED displays. Trains to Charing X of course also stop at London Waterloo East. However, I have to say that in Southampton Central, not Parkway (and not to be confused of course with Southampton Terminus, which is now a Casino and block of apartments), you can in theory catch a Southern train to London Bridge, as well as London Victoria. So I suppose it makes sense. But then you always will get punters going to the wrong place, like the couple who booked flights to 'Sydney', and ended up in Nova Scotia, not New South Wales!
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Post by Phil on Sept 3, 2008 15:30:18 GMT
"next train at platform 4 is all stations to LONDON Liverpool street" ......... where else is there a liverpool street ......... apart from of course victoria which is also in southend It is actually the case that some foreign tourists confuse Liverpool Street with Liverpool Lime Street (imagine if your first language is not English) so ALL relevant NR station announcements have 'London' first, including places like Cannon Street.
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Post by compsci on Sept 3, 2008 16:11:30 GMT
In particular, note that there are trains from Cambridge to both London Liverpool Street and Liverpool Lime Street. The station staff go to great lengths to ensure that they clarify requests from anyone being ambiguous. Amaerican tourists always seem to talk about "Liverpool Station".
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Post by Chris M on Sept 3, 2008 16:34:47 GMT
I suppose it's a good thing the Liverpool station wasn't built on London Street (there doesn't appear to be one, but there is a London Road about 300 metres north of the station).
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Post by compsci on Sept 3, 2008 16:36:37 GMT
Unfortunately they can't just abbreviate destinations to either London or Liverpool either as the fast service to London goes to King's Cross.
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Post by ribaric on Oct 4, 2008 14:10:45 GMT
The 'Downtown People Mover' in Miami is a bit like the Glasgow ring (but even smaller) where they use clockwise/anti-clockwise terminology. It seems to work OK. ISTM it makes better sense than IR/OR.
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Post by cetacean on Oct 4, 2008 15:34:54 GMT
In Miami they use both terminologies. The inner loop operates a circular service clockwise while the outer loop is served by trains to and from the branches that go round it anti-clockwise. map here. You might be thinking of the Detroit People Mover, which is circular single track and only goes in one direction (currently clockwise).
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 4, 2008 15:42:14 GMT
also on a simlar theme, whos crazy idea was it that when im on a main line station all announcements go thus, "next train at platform 4 is all stations to LONDON Liverpool street" or LONDON fenchurch street and so on where else is there a liverpool street or fenchurch street apart from of course victoria which is also in southend That's *always* been the practice AFAIK. If you hear that a train is going to "Kings Cross", it may take a little while to work out it's going to London, especially if you're not familiar with the country. If you hear it's going to "London (Kings Cross)" then it's obvious.
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