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Post by londonstuff on Aug 2, 2008 20:15:01 GMT
I've just watched 'The Story of the London Underground' (on VHS - it was mad having to rewind the tape and hearing the whirr of the erm...whirrer thingies instead of using a DVD!) but part of it showed the installations of floodgates at stations (from years ago) in case of emergency - these were touted as a real safety benefit.
Presumably they're all at the stations they were installed at because they'd weigh a tonne (the ones at Embankment look like mean beasts) - but are they still usable and would/could they still be used in case of an emergency? How would they be controlled?
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Post by SE13 on Aug 3, 2008 10:51:36 GMT
I did read somewhere that those at Embankment are designed to drop under their own weight, but I wouldn't fancy raising them again!
Sorry, that really isn't much help......
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Post by railtechnician on Aug 4, 2008 14:01:36 GMT
Technically the floodgates are still in situ at stations and in tunnels and still serviceable. However, AFAIK the gates are all secured 'OPEN' and cannot be closed. It is questionable whether, if they were closed, they could be opened again so easily. In most cases AFAIAA they are still proved in the signalling circuitry although I believe at one or two sites this may no longer be the case. Some of the floodgate relay rooms are hidden in the oddest places in tunnels and passageways and they have been left alone for the most part for the last 20 years or so ever since the Thames Flood Barrier was commissioned. AFAIK the Floodgate Control Room is extant but again it is questionable whether it retains control of all the floodgates because years of modernisation has led to some interruption to cabling which may or may not have been reinstated. Certainly most of the dedicated direct line Floodgate Telephones have been removed over the years, I recall removing those at Liverpool Street to make way for the new escalators. At Old Street on the tunnel relining job a few years ago I disconnected and subsequently reinstated the main floodgate communications control cable which carried telephone and warning circuits to parts of the Northern, Central, District & East London lines but it was doubtful whether this was still a working cable!
Knowing LUL as I do I have no doubt that were it required for any reason the floodgates could be brought back into use but it would require quite a bit of work and a lot of money to repair/replace/update the equipment and meet current H&S and other requirements at all sites including the Floodgate Control Room.
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Post by ianvisits on Aug 14, 2008 20:30:44 GMT
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Post by programmes1 on Aug 15, 2008 12:16:13 GMT
I didn't think there was any floodgates on the Jubilee line? only the Bakerloo and these would be maintained by Metronet?
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 15, 2008 17:45:08 GMT
Are there not floodgates at Canning Town? TN1 - 4 have route secured visuals to prove that the floodgates are 'open'. (At least that's the only reson I can think of these 4 signals having 'RS' visuals on plain line.
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Post by SE13 on Aug 15, 2008 18:56:35 GMT
I was under the assumption that the floodgates were put in during WWII to protect the system from flood damage as a result of bombs. If that were the case then The Jubilee possibly hasn't got them, although I am happy to be corrected on this.
My understanding was that they were only at stations either end of a tunnel under The Thames, so presumably The Jubilee and Victoria wouldn't have them as they were constructed years later. Again, I would be happy to be corrected on this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 19:28:04 GMT
Isn't the main tunnel entrance at Canning Town essentially a flood gate?
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Post by Tom on Aug 15, 2008 19:31:16 GMT
I was under the assumption that the floodgates were put in during WWII to protect the system from flood damage as a result of bombs. If that were the case then The Jubilee possibly hasn't got them, although I am happy to be corrected on this. More were installed during the cold war, including on the Victoria Line.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2008 23:08:48 GMT
The Canning Town gate is in the style of the nearby Thames Barrier IIRC there is a nearby tributary to the Thames that is liable to flooding.
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Post by 21146 on Aug 15, 2008 23:40:00 GMT
I thought the Flood Gates were a WW2 thing?
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 15, 2008 23:56:38 GMT
I thought the Flood Gates were a WW2 thing? There are non-WW2 floodgates on the system. ;D Let's hope the blast radii and overpressure never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2008 9:53:34 GMT
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Post by Chris M on Aug 16, 2008 11:44:55 GMT
Some excellent photos in that set. Cheers for the link.
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Post by 21146 on Aug 19, 2008 18:58:02 GMT
Weren't there also side-hinged floodgates at stations in the lower circulating areas?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2008 20:36:17 GMT
Yep... Holborn and Moorgate have some... At Holborn they are at the bottom of the bank of 4 escys from booking hall level... I wouldn't like to try and move one!
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Post by JR 15secs on Aug 20, 2008 8:58:07 GMT
Yep... Holborn and Moorgate have some... At Holborn they are at the bottom of the bank of 4 escys from booking hall level... I wouldn't like to try and move one! These are not floodgates they are watertight doors and they move very easy providing the floor is even, when I was on nights at Holborn I used to close them as the instructions in those days said they should be tested once a month.
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Post by jakehn388 on Aug 21, 2008 21:31:32 GMT
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