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Post by londonboy on Nov 10, 2007 21:10:39 GMT
I went today to the staff day at the museum i took some pics that i have posted www.busgroup.piczo.com They are not the best quality but are worth a look if you want a preview
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 10, 2007 21:15:25 GMT
They look to have made progress since I was last there! It's pretty good, apart from a few personal niggles (like the amount that's about the future... err, museum...).
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Post by Chris W on Nov 10, 2007 21:22:59 GMT
Same here.... not as good as I'd hoped (apologies for being critical).... its trying to be all things to all people... it has a modern London taxi, bicycles, a scooter etc..... its very bitty too in that it seems to be a little unco-ordinated in places and totally ignores some included exhibits that could easily be missed (e.g. wooden lift doors by the section on the ground floors that concentrated on the building of the underground). Okay there are almost 2 weeks prior to the opening, however I'm a little disappointed on the whole.... it seemed confused in places... The photos that I took today, not only of the museum but also getting there, can be found here... cjw.fpic.co.uk/c1357558.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2007 21:38:17 GMT
Hmm, looks interesting... They've still got the old horse & cart and trams in!? I'm sorry, but I think they should go. I'd much rather see a DLR and Croydon tram car, which are much more interesting to look at, than those old things, which just take up way too much space! How many people can admit to taking one look at them, then moving on? I know I can...
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 10, 2007 21:48:29 GMT
Although where does one procure a DLR car from ? The Volvo B9TL was a cab front mockup, the 96ts cab is again a mockup (but quite a decent one actually).
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Post by Rich32 on Nov 11, 2007 11:26:51 GMT
Agree with Chris W, they are trying to be all things to all people. The first part on the 2nd and 1st floor galleries is well laid out and thought out, but when you get to the main hall it loses its way a bit and becomes 'messy'. Saying that, on the positive side, there are quite a few new sims in there and the one I had a go at worked, although not everything was up and running. But all in all not bad, but room to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2007 11:44:38 GMT
Oooh, I like the 96ts Simulator...
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Post by Tom on Nov 11, 2007 13:22:58 GMT
I thought that there was too much emphasis on the effect of the transport systems on London, rather than on the systems themelves.
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Post by Chris W on Nov 11, 2007 19:17:29 GMT
Not possible I know (re the heavy steam loco, John Harpendon No.5 electric Met loco, Q & old Met car), but it would have been good to have the ground floor in a turntable style with buses and underground stock (a bit like York) and then tell the story of the tube on the top two floors... I'd also have liked to have read about the lives of LU staff throughout its history as opposed to having quotations placed around the museum... particularly about wartime London ! Sections like the futuristic ticket office just behind/around the corner from the DMS & Routemaster was a complete waste of time... and there's no RT there any more The entrance that looks at metro systems around the world is also a missed opportunity.... lets have some models or something visual we can see rather than a large map & fancy lights... Okay its not yet finished and please don't get me wrong, its still a good place to visit, but I was disappointed with what I found... Having said that I have now joined the LU Museum Friends.... so that's one good thing to come out of yesterday (£20 per annum or £300 life membership)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2007 19:30:34 GMT
£20 per annum!! Now that's a bargain! *Gets cheque book out*
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Post by Phil on Nov 11, 2007 19:30:37 GMT
They've still got the old horse & cart and trams in!? ........How many people can admit to taking one look at them, then moving on? I know I can... Depends on how old you are (and whether you are a 'native' or a tourist). Personally things like even Fleetlines, which folks of my age rode on even in our 20s, let alone DLR/Croydon trams are NOT history: the latter are current events, the others recent items remembered (usually) with a deal of distaste since they were frequently worse than their predecessors (such as DMS versus RM). It comes down to what a museum is meant to be. I had always thought it was a collection of no-longer remembered artifacts (like RTs!!). What you seem to want is a 'visitor centre' as every place seems to have to have these days. Fine if that's what you want, but then please don't call it a museum because it ain't. ChrisW's point is very valid.......only I'd go even further.
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 11, 2007 19:35:00 GMT
Now what do you define as history? There are no longer any Fleetlines used in London, and not that many used elsewhere, so couldn't it be defined as being historical? I'd wager there were more Routemasters in use these days than there are Fleetlines. Still, is the LTM aimed at people like ourselves, or is it aimed at tourists who don't have the first clue about the LT system? I would have thought that Covent Garden was aimed more at the latter - obviously with content to entertain the former - but for people like 'us', there's Acton Depot. And what do you want ATO... .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2007 19:42:56 GMT
I find myself agreeing with TC (for once ). To appeal to enthusiasts you'd probably need a very technical offering, one which would go over the heads of many tourists. Question about the museum - can you board the exhibits? I'd guess having a photo sitting in the cab of a London Bus would be a greater draw than the technical differences between the RT & RM say. BTW are there ANY Fleetlines still in operation in the UK?
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 11, 2007 19:45:11 GMT
Some of them. The B7TL cab you can get in, sit in the seat, press the accelerator and it makes a suitable noise etc.
I think a few are in use in Newark? Ours were withdrawn around 2003.
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Post by Chris W on Nov 11, 2007 19:49:05 GMT
True we have Acton, but people like visual cues.... even when I was not as interested in LU as I am now, back in the 1980's, through the window of the LU Museum I could see the 38DM... once inside I was surrounded by old buses, trams etc. etc. Its the physical presence that makes the impact... now the Museum is IMO too varied, scattered and in places empty... or even surreal - the futuristic Max Headroom style future ticket machine I look upon it as that the present will become history all too quickly.... in 10 years the A, C, D, 67 & 72 stocks will be on their way out, if not already having disappeared from the Underground.... so take those photos now so we can look back.... IMO everything from 1862 onwards (the year before the Underground opened) should be part of the museum, with new exhibits added every year
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 11, 2007 20:01:24 GMT
Which assumes you have an ever-increasing space of museum .
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Post by railtechnician on Nov 11, 2007 20:39:44 GMT
Now what do you define as history? There are no longer any Fleetlines used in London, and not that many used elsewhere, so couldn't it be defined as being historical? I'd wager there were more Routemasters in use these days than there are Fleetlines. Still, is the LTM aimed at people like ourselves, or is it aimed at tourists who don't have the first clue about the LT system? I would have thought that Covent Garden was aimed more at the latter - obviously with content to entertain the former - but for people like 'us', there's Acton Depot. And what do you want ATO... . In my opinion a proper LT Museum would be living like Beamish or Ironbridge, both places I have yet to visit. There is certainly nothing like enough room at covent Garden and Acton Depot combined to properly exhibit Underground history let alone trams and buses too. As an engineering type I would like to see working exhibits of an Interlocking complete with Interlocking Machine Room, Relay Room, Control Room etc much as existed and indeed exists in the signal schools over the years. It would also be great to see the model railway from the old Wood Lane Railway Training Centre displayed too. Acton depot has the old Lever Frame from Elephant & Castle Bakerloo line, Lift and Escalator machinery etc but a proper display needs space and working displays command interest. My belief is that museums are not the places for current and recent history.
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Post by Tomcakes on Nov 11, 2007 20:50:33 GMT
I hear in New York they have their transport museum in a disused subway station.
Woudn't it be nice if the LTM could somehow relocate to the Aldwych branch?? Though they'd probably need space other than what's there at the moment.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 11, 2007 21:42:27 GMT
Yes, the New York Transit Museum is located in the closed Court Street station and is an excellent setting for Subway exhibits.
Both IRT and BMT division rolling stock can be housed in this former BMT station.
On the large intermediate mezzanine level several models, posters, diagrams and smaller items are on display.
As the Museum cars are ALL in running condition and the station is still connected to the 'main-line' it is possible to vary the collection from time to time. Indeed a mimic display is shown in the former signal tower room of the train movements in the local area.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2007 22:21:47 GMT
£20 per annum!! Now that's a bargain! *Gets cheque book out* 10 p/c discount on *most* items in the shop too...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2007 23:27:20 GMT
Same here.... not as good as I'd hoped (apologies for being critical).... its trying to be all things to all people... it has a modern London taxi, bicycles, a scooter etc..... its very bitty too in that it seems to be a little unco-ordinated in places and totally ignores some included exhibits that could easily be missed (e.g. wooden lift doors by the section on the ground floors that concentrated on the building of the underground). Okay there are almost 2 weeks prior to the opening, however I'm a little disappointed on the whole.... it seemed confused in places... The photos that I took today, not only of the museum but also getting there, can be found here... cjw.fpic.co.uk/c1357558.htmlI like the picture showing the new trains display with the line "£4bn investment by Metronet Rail". Oops.
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Post by Alight on Jan 2, 2008 19:49:50 GMT
I thought it was pretty decent when I went on Saturday. Very Very good for tourists and very informative with a superior sophisticated layout to what it had before in which I cringed at some of it. Everything was nice and modern and what I like to see. It even gave the old strap hanger a little display board very neat indeed.
The best bit for me was the future proposal section e.g. DLR and Victoria/subsurface stocks. There was also an interesting map section. I think they could do with an extra Underground carraige for more variety such as some at the Acton Depot which never see the light of day normally but there is probably no room.
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Post by happybunny on Jan 2, 2008 20:27:28 GMT
£20 per annum!! Now that's a bargain! *Gets cheque book out* 10 p/c discount on *most* items in the shop too... You also get 10% staff discount on all cocktails upstairs try the Metropolitan and Routemasters . Not sure if this friends membership thing gets u the same discount but assume so
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