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Post by setttt on Oct 3, 2008 10:20:21 GMT
Or in the case of faulty OPO equipmtent surely there's no problem arriving with passengers, but the driver would have to detrain and leave OOS... With faulty OPO it doesn't matter if the train is in service or not; the issue is that the t/op cannot see the PTI (platform/train interface) from their normal driving position, which means they can't check if it is safe to depart after closing the doors.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2008 15:54:45 GMT
AFAIK those instructions only apply when the train is stopped at the normal stopping mark and the OPO equipment is defective, so the safest bet is just to get assisted despatch from another t/op. Hmm this is an interesting one that, having looked at various rules, i can't see is covered by any of them ! As Seth says the self despatch rule only applies where a train has stopped on the correct stopping mark (as per the District Line supplement to the LUL Rule book). This would infer that a C stock stopped on the D stock stop mark has technically over run. The LUL rules for a platform over run, specifically state they are not to be applied on Network Rail. The rules for LUL trains on Network Rail (the working over book) do not seem to mention platform over runs, so no specific rule seems to apply. The LUL rules for over run at a Terminal Platform, do not exclude Network rail, but list other criteria, such as running into a sand drag or over a track circuit interupter, so are also not applicable to a C stock on the D stock mark at Wimbledon. In the absence of a specifc rule, I'd suggest that the "safe" alternatives are, as Seth says, use a second driver to provide assisted despatch or self despatch, if those rules are safe when applied in other comparable scenarios, it follows they are safe here.
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Post by astock5000 on Oct 3, 2008 18:00:27 GMT
What is a 'track circuit interupter'?
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Post by upfast on Oct 3, 2008 18:52:43 GMT
What is a 'track circuit interupter'? Keeps a track circuit occupied if a train has over-run towards the fixed red lights. At places where space is limited or significant damage then alarms are also operated which are often sent to local Station Supervisors Office. It is basically a block on the inside of the rail that is knocked off by the wheel of a train passing over it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2008 0:59:52 GMT
Or in the case of faulty OPO equipmtent surely there's no problem arriving with passengers, but the driver would have to detrain and leave OOS... With faulty OPO it doesn't matter if the train is in service or not; the issue is that the t/op cannot see the PTI (platform/train interface) from their normal driving position, which means they can't check if it is safe to depart after closing the doors. If passengers were barred from entering the LU platforms (relatively easy to do a Wimbledon) then it would be OK.
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 7, 2008 19:02:44 GMT
The easiest way would be to close the platform after the train has been seen out (ie, no trains serve the platform with the faulty OPO equipment), that way the other 3 platforms could remain open. The first train can self dispatch on NR (as long as there are no other LUL staff around to do the deed) but obviously using LUL staff is by far the preferred option and would be the procedure that we would be expected to use if possible. I'm also going to assume that being a termini, the train would be held in the platform until the driver of the next train can assist. We don't like taking risks with safety. You could also close all 4 platforms, with trains entering and departing empty but that sounds too drastic to me. In the case of Richmond, I always advise the signaller when I reach Gunnersbury that i'm in a C stock and tell the signaller that I must be put in either platforms 4 or 6 at Richmond. You'll be surprised how many signallers don't realise that C stocks can't visit the odd numbered platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2008 9:21:48 GMT
The easiest way would be to close the platform after the train has been seen out (ie, no trains serve the platform with the faulty OPO equipment), that way the other 3 platforms could remain open. The first train can self dispatch on NR (as long as there are no other LUL staff around to do the deed) but obviously using LUL staff is by far the preferred option and would be the procedure that we would be expected to use if possible. I'm also going to assume that being a termini, the train would be held in the platform until the driver of the next train can assist. We don't like taking risks with safety. You could also close all 4 platforms, with trains entering and departing empty but that sounds too drastic to me. In the case of Richmond, I always advise the signaller when I reach Gunnersbury that i'm in a C stock and tell the signaller that I must be put in either platforms 4 or 6 at Richmond. You'll be surprised how many signallers don't realise that C stocks can't visit the odd numbered platforms. One remains bemused that the simple, and relatively cheap, expedient of placing C stock stopping plates on the track at Richmond has never occured !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 19:45:40 GMT
I saw a C-stock at Platform 4 Wimbledon which stopped all the way to the end Speaking of C-stocks, there seemed to be some kind of problem with the one on platform 3. I noted down the train number as T705- C 5586+6586 at around 1630
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Post by chrish on Oct 11, 2008 20:45:05 GMT
I saw a C-stock at Platform 4 Wimbledon which stopped all the way to the end Speaking of C-stocks, there seemed to be some kind of problem with the one on platform 3. I noted down the train number as T705- C 5586+6586 at around 1630 Well... the obvious thing that stands out is that we don't run a T705. Scheduled C stock are T70-77, 161, 162. Anythings in the 7xx area would be a special... can't shed any more light on it than that though...
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Post by upfast on Oct 11, 2008 22:11:28 GMT
I saw a C-stock at Platform 4 Wimbledon which stopped all the way to the end Speaking of C-stocks, there seemed to be some kind of problem with the one on platform 3. I noted down the train number as T705- C 5586+6586 at around 1630 Well... the obvious thing that stands out is that we don't run a T705. Scheduled C stock are T70-77, 161, 162. Anythings in the 7xx area would be a special... can't shed any more light on it than that though... Sounds like an AVI (Auto Video Inspection) fitted train.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 23:21:35 GMT
Well... the obvious thing that stands out is that we don't run a T705. Scheduled C stock are T70-77, 161, 162. Could be 075 set up wrong - I've done that before!
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Post by chrish on Oct 12, 2008 16:17:04 GMT
Well... the obvious thing that stands out is that we don't run a T705. Scheduled C stock are T70-77, 161, 162. Anythings in the 7xx area would be a special... can't shed any more light on it than that though... Sounds like an AVI (Auto Video Inspection) fitted train. Now you've said that, I do recall seeing a AVI trian running around at some point.. probably was that. Mystery Solved!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2008 22:13:57 GMT
Ealing Broadway has C stock stopping marks so any of the platforms can be used. Seth is correct C stock stopping marks are available at all platforms at Ealing Broadway.
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Post by District Dave on Oct 21, 2008 13:50:29 GMT
Ealing Broadway has C stock stopping marks so any of the platforms can be used. Seth is correct C stock stopping marks are available at all platforms at Ealing Broadway. Are you sure? I hadn't commented before as I couldn't remember one in P7. I was in P8 yesterday and P7 was vacant so I took a slow stroll up and I'll be b******d if I could find it! Or is my eyesight worse than I thought?
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Post by trainopd78 on Oct 21, 2008 16:02:54 GMT
It's alright dave you're not going mad. I can only remember one in 8 and 9 too ;D
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Post by District Dave on Oct 21, 2008 19:02:58 GMT
It's alright dave you're not going mad. I can only remember one in 8 and 9 too ;D Phew **wipes brow** I thought I'd lost it!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2008 19:30:12 GMT
Hmmm,
I was accepting as a given that there was one on Platform 7 as all the previous posters seemed to suggest there was !
It was platform 8 that was under question ! Where I was certain there was one (a C/R mark) ! (On platform 9 it takes the form of a "6" mark)
I can't be certain one way or the other on Platform 7, but If Dave has checked it, then he must be right !
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Post by Colin on Oct 22, 2008 14:14:44 GMT
I was accepting as a given that there was one on Platform 7 as all the previous posters seemed to suggest there was Never assume - fatal mistake that! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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